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Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Saturday April 18, 2020 @09:40PM (#22912749)
Why isn't there a public open-source fund to finance open projects (ie one to which the donors have no clue or control where the funds will eventually go; they're disbursed on the basis of how widely something is used)?
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:51AM (#22913609)
The FSF's total assets are less than $2m. Apache's under $5m. I mean something with billion $ capitalization instead of peanuts.
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by fierarul on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:41PM (#22917857)
I assume you are aware Apache does not pay for any kind of software development.

They only spend money on some minor infrastructure to have JIRA and the mailing lists and build servers running; plus administrative / legal personnel.

All the new "Apache" software is written by volunteers, the mirror system is provided free by 3rd parties, code hosting is almost all on GitHub.

So, what would they need the extra money for? Another JIRA instance?

By comparison the FreeBSD foundation does hand out grants to fix parts of their OS which they deem relevant and in need. Would be nice to see something similar in other foundations.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @03:25PM (#22918153)
I'm responding to the person who cited it above. Please try reading the whole thread instead of just the last post.
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by fierarul on Monday April 20, 2020 @04:12AM (#22922092)
An open source foundations with billions does not exist, except Mozilla Foundation but they don't really spread out the money to other projects compared to what they spend on their own products.

So, the answer is that nothing exist.

Out of the given options a few also don't qualify (like I mentioned, Apache for sure, opensource.org most likely) because they don't spend money on software development at all.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Monday April 20, 2020 @06:27PM (#22929471)
The original comment of mine that started this thread:

Why isn't there a public open-source fund [...]

I know it doesn't exist. The non-existence thereof was what prompted that question. I have no idea what point you're attempting to make.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by fierarul on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @02:55AM (#22932644)
Clearly you are smart enough to realise what point I was trying to make, although it was perhaps tangential to your original question.

I do apologise for replying to you. If only HN would have a feature to block me from replying to you in the future.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by mikeg8 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:00AM (#22913643)
Probably because the players who can amass a billion $ fund would rather put their money somewhere else. You're basically asking why is capitalism capitalism?
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by fsflover on Sunday April 19, 2020 @04:00AM (#22914306)
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by throwaway092837 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @08:59AM (#22915599)
Indeed donations are far, far from enough.

GPS, GSM, fiber optics, Internet, touchscreens, semiconductors, satellites, most of chemistry and aviation - all were researched and developed using taxpayer money.

And it took billions.

Now all public R&D is being destroyed and yet FLOSS fits exactly in the category.

We desperately need large, global, R&D funding not some people throwing some bucks at patreon.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by chrisco255 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:14AM (#22913467)
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @03:30PM (#22918182)
This looks promising, thanks!
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by jzb on Saturday April 18, 2020 @09:49PM (#22912787)
How many people or organizations are likely to donate to a random project they’ve no idea if it’s something they use or care about?
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:53AM (#22913617)
Promoting free software in general means giving up that kind of micromanagement/ control maximization.
Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Saturday April 18, 2020 @09:46PM (#22912776)
What does “public” mean in this context?

And if you want this thing, why don’t you make it?

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:57AM (#22913635)
Public means non-profit and wholly transparent, explicitly dedicated to the creation and expansion of a software commons. It infuriates me that people who work on important projects like numpy or Tor which are very widely used have trouble paying the bills and keeping a roof over their head.

I don't make it because I don't work in the software industry and don't have access to large social or financial capital networks. That sounds a bit like asking why someone who proposes a public policy idea doesn't just run for President.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by Noos on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:15PM (#22916799)
The problem is that this what you get when you make a commons without reciprocity or equality.

Reciprocity means the producer/upkeeper and consumer each put something into the commons that balances out mutual needs. if only a few people can create or maintain, the many users must contribute in a lesser fashion to enable them.

Equality means that everyone create or maintain, so the burden isn't shared on a small group. If we are all farmers, we can each handle a share of a common field.

But this kind of commons is asymmetrical, and that's why you'll never see people pay the bills anywhere near close to the need. This kind of common can really only be noblesse oblige, where people with abundant resources give charity. It isn't, so people struggle.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:50PM (#22917918)
The idea of "everyone" owning something, ie a commons, is a contradiction. If everyone owns it, then no one owns it.

Assume the thing has exactly one owner. Then "reciprocity" and "equality" are addressed by the owner charging a fee to use the thing. Currency exchanged by consumers compensates the owner-operator's work.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:15AM (#22913713)
> It infuriates me that people who work on important projects like numpy or Tor which are very widely used have trouble paying the bills and keeping a roof over their head.

Donate money to projects you care about. Persuade your friends to donate.

> I don't make it because I don't work in the software industry and don't have access to large social or financial capital networks.

What’s the plan for getting the doers onboard? Pay them? Persuade them to work for free? Persuade the government to tax someone else to fund them?

Or are we just shouting about things we don’t like? Because let me tell you about low quality leather goods...

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by samatman on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:38AM (#22913550)
Everyone knows that there's a huge gap between wanting something to exist, and wanting something to exist, while having the expertise, time, resources, and will, to bring it into existence.

Since you know this as well as I do, I want to ask: what is your motive in asking this question?

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:07AM (#22913670)
First, I dig your meditation on Forth and the Dao that won’t be named.

> what is your motive in asking this question?

To provoke OP into debugging me.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by samatman on Sunday April 19, 2020 @05:04AM (#22914529)
thanks, glad you enjoyed it!