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Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Saturday April 18, 2020 @09:46PM (#22912776)
What does “public” mean in this context?

And if you want this thing, why don’t you make it?

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by anigbrowl on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:57AM (#22913635)
Public means non-profit and wholly transparent, explicitly dedicated to the creation and expansion of a software commons. It infuriates me that people who work on important projects like numpy or Tor which are very widely used have trouble paying the bills and keeping a roof over their head.

I don't make it because I don't work in the software industry and don't have access to large social or financial capital networks. That sounds a bit like asking why someone who proposes a public policy idea doesn't just run for President.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by Noos on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:15PM (#22916799)
The problem is that this what you get when you make a commons without reciprocity or equality.

Reciprocity means the producer/upkeeper and consumer each put something into the commons that balances out mutual needs. if only a few people can create or maintain, the many users must contribute in a lesser fashion to enable them.

Equality means that everyone create or maintain, so the burden isn't shared on a small group. If we are all farmers, we can each handle a share of a common field.

But this kind of commons is asymmetrical, and that's why you'll never see people pay the bills anywhere near close to the need. This kind of common can really only be noblesse oblige, where people with abundant resources give charity. It isn't, so people struggle.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:50PM (#22917918)
The idea of "everyone" owning something, ie a commons, is a contradiction. If everyone owns it, then no one owns it.

Assume the thing has exactly one owner. Then "reciprocity" and "equality" are addressed by the owner charging a fee to use the thing. Currency exchanged by consumers compensates the owner-operator's work.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:15AM (#22913713)
> It infuriates me that people who work on important projects like numpy or Tor which are very widely used have trouble paying the bills and keeping a roof over their head.

Donate money to projects you care about. Persuade your friends to donate.

> I don't make it because I don't work in the software industry and don't have access to large social or financial capital networks.

What’s the plan for getting the doers onboard? Pay them? Persuade them to work for free? Persuade the government to tax someone else to fund them?

Or are we just shouting about things we don’t like? Because let me tell you about low quality leather goods...

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by samatman on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:38AM (#22913550)
Everyone knows that there's a huge gap between wanting something to exist, and wanting something to exist, while having the expertise, time, resources, and will, to bring it into existence.

Since you know this as well as I do, I want to ask: what is your motive in asking this question?

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by burrows on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:07AM (#22913670)
First, I dig your meditation on Forth and the Dao that won’t be named.

> what is your motive in asking this question?

To provoke OP into debugging me.

Re:Covid-19’s impact on Tor by samatman on Sunday April 19, 2020 @05:04AM (#22914529)
thanks, glad you enjoyed it!