News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
[dead]
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by judge2020 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:53AM (#22886191)
Source seems to be https://games.sina.cn/cyfw/cyxw/2020-04-13/detail-iirczymi60...

Google Translated:

> 4. It is not allowed to promote the "Global Service" function in the game. If there is any, you should go offline and delete the relevant function in time;

Not sure how accurate the source is or how accurate the translation is. The word Promote is in there, so maybe it's related to marketing (including box art, etc)?

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by philliphaydon on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:34AM (#22886090)
It’s not racist. Calling it Chinese Virus is racist. china called it wuhan virus. And most of Asia continues to call it Wuhan Virus.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:41AM (#22886474)
Calling it Chinese Virus is not racist either. Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome, German Measles, Japanese Virus, Japanese Encephalitis, Russian Flu are all named after countries. Also "China" is not a race, it's a country.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by philliphaydon on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:53AM (#22886533)
(comment is reply to burfog too)

I would agree if the original name was China/Chinese Virus. The problem is that, that particular naming is targeted at china because they were being twats by making rumors/propaganda blaming America.

So I feel that the people using that name are using it as a middle finger, which I don't agree with. That doesn't make the words itself racist, but the usage of it racist.

I hope that makes sense?!?

Wuhan is just the place of origin and no one battered an eyelid to it when it was first named Wuhan Virus or Wu Flu. I've never seen it used negatively.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by _-___________-_ on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:04AM (#22886588)
The usage of it still isn't really racist, because China is not a race, but rather a country made up of people of many races. I agree that "China/Chinese Virus" is often being used with bad intentions.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by burfog on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:29AM (#22886407)
Calling it Chinese Virus is not racist either. China is not a race.

I never head anybody calling it "Chinese Virus" until right after Chinese officials were found to be spreading rumors that the virus came from a US military operation. When those rumors started, the Chinese ambassador to the US was called in to get a scolding and the president immediately started using "Chinese Virus" very purposely.

In other words, it's simply the mildest justified revenge, without even a claim that anything was intentional.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by trickstra on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:34AM (#22886758)
That may have been true before the scientists agreed on a proper name. Now it has one, so calling it Wuhan virus or Chinese virus is inappropriate. The virus now mostly resides in the US and has already mutated so there is a European variant and US variant.

Also, I'm now in Asia and everybody around me calls it COVID or Corona.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by proc0 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @03:00AM (#22886878)
Not only is China not a race, ironically you're defending the one place where there currently is guaranteed racism.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by JamesG124 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:50AM (#22886174)
> most of Asia continues to call it Wuhan Virus

Do you have a source for this?

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by philliphaydon on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:17AM (#22886324)
I'm not about to go searching, I'm watching WION on youtube at the moment which is a (new, 2015) news outlet in India which often refers to it as Wuhan Virus, but if I posted anything that wasn't CNN or NYT or such I'll prob just get downvoted with comments saying "oh thats fake news" or "thats not a creditable because we don't have it here in America".

To be clear when I say "most of asia" I don't mean, every country, and every news outlet. But that it's not uncommon.

I've seen news in Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, all refer to it as Wuhan Virus.

Singapore (where I live) I don't recall seeing it referred to as Wuhan Virus since maybe mid-march.

In any case if someone refers to it as Chinese/China Virus, I completely agree that it's racist. But Wuhan is the origin, and the original name given. Renaming has probably only hurt china more as people are very angry with the WHO and ccp.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by tasogare on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:14AM (#22886303)
It’s called "Wuhan pneumonia" (武漢肺炎) in Mandarin in Taiwan and in Cantonese in Hong-Kong. https://zh-yue.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/武漢肺炎大爆發
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by drewmol on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:07AM (#22886259)
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by Xeronate on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:16AM (#22886323)
SARS-CoV-2 is pretty specific. Comparing with covid-19 seems more reasonable. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Wuhan%20virus,cov...
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by alharith on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:03AM (#22886238)
Do you have access to the world's most powerful search engine that can locate almost any source for you in an instant?
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by mirimir on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:33AM (#22886429)
I don't know. If you mean Google, it's been lobotomized over the past decade.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by Kiro on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:10AM (#22886623)
We don't name viruses after geographic locations anymore to avoid stigmatization. I don't know why you all wants to hold on to such an unnecessary practice, especially when so many viruses and diseases were named based on an incorrect origin.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:22AM (#22886687)
rational stigmatization isn't a bad thing.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by trickstra on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:40AM (#22886795)
There is no such thing as "rational stigmatization". That would be an oxymoron.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Friday April 17, 2020 @08:38PM (#22904333)
Dictionary defines "stigma" as:

> "a mark of disgrace associated with a particular circumstance, quality, or person."

and gives the following example

> "the stigma of having gone to prison will always be with me"

This is an example of rational stigma. For example if you know someone who went to prison for robbery, they would have a rational stigma associated with them when they try to apply for a job at a bank. Not an oxymoron.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by trickstra on Saturday April 18, 2020 @12:08AM (#22905248)
Denying jobs to recovered convicts is a very contested topic. That stigma turns into an irrational and easily disproved belief that a convict can never really recover and start leading a normal life. Such stigma then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Stigmatization is the act of creating stigmas. Maintaining them. And that is very clearly not rational. To be rational, you'd re-evaluate the person from the ground up before each event. Sure, being in prison would still be a factor, one of many. But stigma assumes that this factor alone defines the whole outcome, which is irrational.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Saturday April 18, 2020 @04:21AM (#22906177)
I feel like you are talking about it from a political correctness point of view. A bank denying a job to a convicted robber is 100% justified and saying that's somehow not rational is just silly.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by trickstra on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:07AM (#22913667)
I'm talking from pure logic point. Denying a job to a convict (as a rule) is based on the assumption that it's absolutely impossible for a convict to recover and start leading a normal life. It is based on a 0% probability of that happening. And that's quite clearly not the case.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by citruspi on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:38AM (#22886113)
> according to LTN, which cited news from a Chinese gaming forum.

Yeah... their sources aren't exactly ideal.

[dead]
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by quickthrower2 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:06AM (#22886602)
Spanish Flu - not Spanish
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by Kiro on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:08AM (#22886606)
Yes, and that's why we don't name viruses after geographic locations anymore. It's an outdated practice.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:16AM (#22886652)
It became outdated as soon as China's Foreign Minister Zhao Lijian began their propaganda.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by Kiro on Thursday April 16, 2020 @03:46AM (#22887099)
No, it became outdated when WHO revised their guidelines in 2015: https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_...

https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-d...

"Terms that should be avoided in disease names include geographic locations (e.g. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, Spanish Flu, Rift Valley fever), people’s names (e.g. Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Chagas disease), species of animal or food (e.g. swine flu, bird flu, monkey pox), cultural, population, industry or occupational references (e.g. legionnaires), and terms that incite undue fear (e.g. unknown, fatal, epidemic)."

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by busymom0 on Friday April 17, 2020 @08:42PM (#22904355)
The same WHO whose Director had been lying about the virus because China was telling them to? On 14th of Jan, WHO tweeted that the virus doesn't transmit human to human. They ignored Taiwan's warning from December that China was lying and then later claimed they never received any warning from Taiwan (despite emails showing they did). The same WHO which claimed restricting travel was not required and ineffective. Director Tedros was elected because of hard lobbying by China. No wonder he would try to save face for China.

Tedros also tried to get Robert Mugabe as WHO's goodwill ambassador:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41702662

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by Kiro on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:10AM (#22906355)
Regardless I can assure you that even the US is following WHO's advice on naming diseases so not sure what you're trying to say here.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by taikawatiti on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:39AM (#22886125)
You realise Chinese have members of peaceful community in a literal concentration camp. I mean it's arguable whether it's good or bad because I've never met their particular peaceful community and don't know how much more peaceful it is but still mentioning so you can adjust your trigger.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by dang on Thursday April 16, 2020 @05:43PM (#22893881)
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. These threads are all the same and we're trying to avoid endless, angry repetition here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by julianlam on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:46AM (#22886154)
I don't see what this has to do with the colloquial naming of SARS-CoV-2
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by dmix on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:21AM (#22886352)
There's a ton of viruses named after the place of origin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mononegavirales#Order_organiza...

Informally that number is way higher.

It's as common to use the original geographical source of the virus in the name as it is to use some chemistry/biology/latin driven name or in your case an acronym.

Following formal guidelines in scientific papers and other formal discourse is another matter. Newspapers, social media, interpersonal communication, etc isn't a big deal IMO. People know what they are referring to. That's all that matters in that sort of language, humans are smart enough to figure out context and intention. Especially since there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with using relevant identifiers like geography.

Trying to constantly redefine and re-purpose certain words/phrases in absolute terms is an arbitrary and endless fight against the reality of everyday language. It's ultimately a giant waste of time that only adds more personal/political/ideological baggage than it removes, to what common-sense was already more than sufficient to handle. It's also just as often used to 'spin' and attack people and purposefully misinterpret people's intentions and context of usage, despite it being obvious to the rational reader, as it is about 'protecting' others. It then makes us question your intentions in 'correcting' them as much as theirs in using it, and we're no better off in terms of clarity. The less of it, the better.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by bllguo on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:59AM (#22886874)
not only is this unrelated, the whole justification for the concentration camps to begin with was uyghur terrorist attacks. i cant defend the concentration camps, of course, but "peaceful" just seems disingenuous
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by xster on Thursday April 16, 2020 @12:59AM (#22886215)
I suppose you're referring to the NED funded CHRD article which has since become gospel?

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/china-detaining-millions-...

Imagine if the Chinese army could materialize new media realities.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by aorth on Thursday April 16, 2020 @02:16AM (#22886651)
Yes I realize that, but the Uighur issue is unrelated to the current discussion...
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by ookdatnog on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:20AM (#22886343)
This is just a textbook example of whataboutism.

One can object to a use of language that is likely to stir racist sentiment against Chinese people, and more broadly Asian people (as we very much have seen especially early in the outbreak), without implying support for the CCP.

Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by anonytrary on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:24AM (#22886373)
It's only "racist" if enough people start using it in a way to discriminate against people from Wuhan in perpetuity; beyond the lifetime of the virus.
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by duxup on Thursday April 16, 2020 @01:39AM (#22886459)
If there is racist intent it wouldn't be just about Wuhan...
Re:China to ban online gaming, in-game chat with foreigners ... by anonytrary on Thursday April 16, 2020 @03:10AM (#22886915)
I missed your point.