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Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by rchaud on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @03:22PM (#22870309)
The vision was to create a global monopoly by killing off competitors with artificially low pricing. They tried the same thing with Uber, with some 'driverless fleet' pipe dream thrown in for good measure.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by imtringued on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @04:16PM (#22870909)
Their tiny little fund isn't powerful enough for that. They can try that when they have a multi trillion dollar fund. The reason why the vision fund failed is pretty obvious. They dump their money into late stage companies without actually checking if the business is viable. This strategy works with very young companies because initial investments are very low. One million here, 5 million there. If 95% of companies fail it doesn't matter because there will be a unicorn or two. With something like Uber or Wework most of the crazy gains are already gone. They are way beyond the seed stage. When you invest into them you must be careful and check that you are spending money on a company that can actually net a return. When you are spending more than a billion each loss hurts a lot.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by hkmurakami on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @04:52PM (#22871302)
Mostly the problem is that their portfolio companies started fighting each other with the SB cash.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by HappyDreamer on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @05:52PM (#22883527)
Sounds interesting -- would you like sharing an example? I've read about SoftBank and WeWork but don't know much about their other investments
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by hkmurakami on Thursday April 16, 2020 @03:34AM (#22887039)
Uber - DiDi is the prime example.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by hodgesrm on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @06:46PM (#22872402)
In a way the "global monopoly" vision does not seem very different from the Hunt Brothers trying to corner the market for silver in 1979/80. The plan is to buy up enough supply to create artificial scarcity. [1]

The problem with this approach is that there just aren't that many robust, natural monopolies. I think that's been a defect in VC investment strategies in Silicon Valley for at least a decade.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday

Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by swyx on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @04:15PM (#22870903)
the nice, short summary of this i saw somewhere is: "Turns out money is not a moat."
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by stale2002 on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @01:07AM (#22874720)
> The vision was to create a global monopoly by killing off competitors with artificially low pricing

A global monopoly for.... office space?

I could not think of a more difficult industry, to "kill off competitors with low pricing", than the real estate industry.

Whats the plan there? Buying off every major office in the in the world?

Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by rhodium on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @02:38AM (#22875194)
Crazy as it sounds, that seems to be the plan. WeWork is already the largest tenant in New York, Washington, D.C., downtown Chicago, and central London.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by jasonv on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @03:52PM (#22870640)
Honest question: Has that actually worked?

For most Ubers, you also get a Lyft.

iPhone, Androids. (Even granting profit to Apple in smartphones).

Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by DevX101 on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @03:58PM (#22870691)
Uber almost killed Lyft. Had it not been for the 2017 #DeleteUber campaign that started in 2017, Lyft might have ran out of money or forced to concede more US markets.
Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by dsl on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:50PM (#22871926)
It was Uber trying to steal from Waymo that saved Lyft.

Google gave Lyft $1.5 billion in "fuck Uber" money months after filing suit against Uber.

Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by komali2 on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:04PM (#22871430)
Crazy how if the executives of Uber hadn't been blatantly evil as fuck, Lyft might not exist today.

My partner and I still exclusively use Lyft just because we don't like the ethics of Uber

Re:SoftBank expects $24B in losses from Vision Fund, WeWork ... by elliekelly on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @06:23PM (#22872221)
I exclusively use Lyft ever since I asked an Uber driver if he also drove for Lyft and he casually mentioned that he couldn’t pass their background check...