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Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by tzs on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:24PM (#22826819)
What I find interesting about this one is that RT.com has run a few stories about how it is a baseless conspiracy theory that scientific studies have failed to find any support for.

What's interesting about this is that RT.com in 2018 and 2019 was a big source behind the "5G will give you cancer" disinformation. Links to several of those stories, and to their current stories disputing the virus claims, in this earlier comment [1].

Why would Russia flip from trying to get people in the US afraid of 5G to trying to calm 5G fears? I have no idea.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22785716

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:32PM (#22826899)
They are not even bothered by arguing two sides of the same issue at the same time. All that matters is to stir the pot, to make more foam because foam obscures what is actually important. It isn't about 5G or pizzagate or the fact that 9/11 was an inside job by the mossad. It is about distracting you, me and a ton of other people from the things that are really going on and that then makes you look like just another conspiracy nut.

This is just one giant misinformation campaign directed towards derailing informed consent and an informed electorate. Every little bit helps in that overarching plan.

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by Patentlywong on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:16PM (#22827295)
>This is just one giant misinformation campaign directed towards derailing informed consent and an informed electorate

alternative theory: they look for fringe topics trending and picked up the narrative to drive views.

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:21PM (#22827333)
Quite possible, why not amplify the shit already out there, that outsources the one part that is hard to do with bots.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by Patentlywong on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:31PM (#22827429)
Because it adds no value to the mission of RT news (which is to spread influence) since it doesn't expose the targeted audience to the other articles on RT news with higher propaganda value (like coverage on syria).
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by JoshTko on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:42PM (#22826978)
I spend several hours everyday reading various reasonably trusted sources and I still feel that I'm under informed about truly important things.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:45PM (#22827000)
And that's the elegance of it. Think about a room where people are having a conversation. Somewhere in the room a fight breaks out over an absolutely ridiculous theory, but still, good luck continuing your conversation. Now imagine that wherever you go people will butt in on your conversation and try to derail it. Before long you won't be able to have any conversations in public at all. Especially not ones that come to some kind of reasonable conclusion or balanced viewpoint.

Just like with any good bar brawl by the time it gets underway for real nobody knows who they are fighting or what they were fighting for or who started it. For all you know the people that started it are already in another bar doing the same thing.

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by s9w on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:30PM (#22826875)
That could also be explained be the possibility the the Corona connection is ludicrous while the other one is much less so.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jeffreyrogers on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:43PM (#22826983)
5G causes cancer and 5G causes coronavirus are two different claims, so there's no contradiction here.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by temp12345el on Thursday April 09, 2020 @07:22PM (#22828267)
"Among the most important scientific achievements was the discovery of the so-called "resonant" frequencies of exposure to the human body of low-intensity electromagnetic fields of the MM range at medium frequencies of 50.3; 51.8; 65.0 GHz [10]" [0] https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2708040C2/en

"Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves" [1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US3951134A/en

"Method and system for eliminating fighting strength of opposing combatant using electromagnetic wave" [2] https://patents.google.com/patent/CN106643287A/en

non-ionizing radiation thank you

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by runawaybottle on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:36PM (#22826928)
You remember when Goldman peddled mortgage backed securities during the bubble and then bet against the same securities after selling it? Making cash on both sides of the scam.

If it’s not as simple as that, then the only intricate manipulation I can think of is that by playing It up, then playing it down, you normalize the need to treat the issue with credibility. Why is a news agency lending their name to even address this?

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by catalogia on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:30PM (#22826878)
I wouldn't look for consistency in shit-stirring.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by Patentlywong on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:12PM (#22827260)
Just because RT news is state backed to the point of being an apparatus of the state, it doesn't make moot the same market incentives that drove readership to huffpost, buzzfeed or vice. RT news coverage is to draw in an english audience that is that is skeptical of, or contrarian, to mainstream anglo news reporting. 5G conspiracies likely drove traffic to the site.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by thu2111 on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:29AM (#22831921)
Why would Russia flip from trying to get people in the US afraid of 5G to trying to calm 5G fears? I have no idea.

Russia has no opinion either way and you're mis-interpreting everyday journalism as some kind of massive conspiracy, which is why it makes no sense.

I looked at the first video in the comment you link to. The story is actually "Group of scientists warn 5G network can pose health dangers", and provides a clip of Dr Sharon Goldberg talking in the Senate about 4G as evidence.

She says:

"Wireless radiation has biological effects, period. This is no longer a subject for debate when you look at PubMed and other peer reviewed literature."

and goes on to cite a bunch of papers that (she says) look at the effects.

As far as I can tell she's some sort of doctor who campaigns against mobile towers.

Now look at it from the perspective of ordinary journalists. RT tries to find stories that are interesting yet 'under-reported'. Imagine in this case there are no Russian masterminds or calls from Putin; just everyday journos who have to fill airtime with something. The clip starts with the host of the show basically admitting he has no idea what 5G is, that he's not a technical kinda guy, he only heard about it that afternoon and his entire knowledge of it comes from reading the summary on Wikipedia. His angle is "it sounds too good to be true so where's the catch?". Some random correspondent then launches into the clip of the doctor.

You don't need any fancy conspiracy theories to understand what's going on here. All you need are people who know nothing about technology looking for something interesting to talk about. They see "experts" testify before Congress citing the peer reviewed, published papers of other "experts" (journos know that this is the gold standard), and that's their permission to talk about it.

All we're seeing here is the fact that you can find peer reviewed published academic papers for a huge array of bizarre ideas. It's just not a serious filter on the flow of research but journalists don't know that - academics themselves are forced to filter it using entirely subjective notions like perceived reputation, which can vary wildly depending on who is asked.

The only reason RT specifically seemed to focus on it is their pitch is that they are outside the CNBC/MSNBC/CNN/etc groupthink.

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jsjddbbwj on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:31PM (#22826884)
What makes you think this is some kind of conspiracy instead of the media looking for clicks?
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:39PM (#22826953)
The irony of this comment coming from a low karma, anonymous and brandnew account with a gibberish name should not be lost on you.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jsjddbbwj on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:44PM (#22826995)
Nice ad hominem.
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:48PM (#22827018)
No, I just pointed it out to you that it was ironic. You, however, seem to read an attack into it. Which it wasn't. And of course you could immediately fix that if you did feel attacked by fleshing out your profile, which you intend to keep for years anyway so you can productively contribute to the conversation here, right?
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jsjddbbwj on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:52PM (#22827049)
Generally not worth it because my accounts haven't lasted long these past years. :P
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by jacquesm on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:55PM (#22827090)
Maybe try a bit harder?
Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by lidHanteyk on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:10PM (#22827241)
Ignore neighboring comment; he likes picking on anons because he's proud of what he writes on this site.

The reason that this is probably somewhat conspiratorial, in the sense of being planned by a clandestine group, is because RT is well-known to be part of Russia's state propaganda machine [0]. Trusting RT either way, without examining their claims and sources carefully, is a bad idea.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_cla...

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by Patentlywong on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:26PM (#22827378)
RT as a propaganda arm needs viewers to function as kerlin intended. RT was created to offer a kremlin approved perspective. RT would fail that purpose if its reach is limited. This is something we can all agree on, right? Russia want to draw certain audiences, that's a given right?

So how is the neighbouring comment wrong or worth ignoring? Even tho the profit motive may not be there, RT value proposition to the kremlin is the same as vice, buzzfeed, and huffpost except that instead of ads, they seek get the audience to the site to expose to them to the kremlim approved narrative.

Re:5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled by Coordinated Effort by catalogia on Thursday April 09, 2020 @07:39PM (#22828406)
> So how is the neighbouring comment wrong or worth ignoring?

Well the neighboring comment raised none of the points you have. The neighboring comment did nothing more than draw attention to the username/karma of the 'jsjddbbwj' user, and insinuated that the user was part of a conspiracy by calling the comment ironic.