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Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @04:06PM (#22826627)
It's pretty hilarious for The Federalist to be accusing others of being a threat to public health.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/25/21190928/twitter-locks-ac...

> On Wednesday, Twitter briefly locked conservative site The Federalist’s account for suggesting people deliberately expose themselves to the novel coronavirus. The Federalist promoted the medically unsound idea of “medical ‘chickenpox parties’” to infect young, healthy people with the virus under controlled quarantine.

Their staff were downplaying this for quite some time, including long after the "the WHO [took] until March 11 to even declare a pandemic":

"Why Your Parents Aren’t Idiots For Not Freaking Out About Coronavirus Like You Are": https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/23/why-your-parents-arent-...

"Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised Lockdowns": https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/inaccurate-virus-models...

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by nradov on Thursday April 09, 2020 @06:40PM (#22827946)
Put the source aside. What specifically is worse about this proposal than the current approach? A safe and effective vaccine is likely several years away. The economy can't be locked down for that long. The virus is too easily transmissible for containment and contract tracing to be effective. So most of us will be infected eventually. If they're going to get it anyway then doing so in a controlled environment might be a good option for some volunteers.

I'm not endorsing this approach, but we ought to at least analyze it rather than rejecting it out of hand.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @09:48PM (#22829133)
> What specifically is worse about this proposal than the current approach?

False dichotomy. There are far better things we could try.

One proposal I've seen batted around is widespread, rapid testing. Checkpoints on the interstates and elsewhere where you get one of the 15 minute rapid tests and get a day pass to continue on your way.

We know we can get R0 down with distancing; NYC's falling new hospitalizations numbers are a clear sign of that. Testing allows us to relax restrictions without it flaring up so fast, and lets us find the flare.

Add in universal, required mask wearing. None of the wishy-washy "we recommend..." bullshit.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by nradov on Thursday April 09, 2020 @10:12PM (#22829291)
It seems unlikely that the current Supreme Court would countenance such a blatant violation of the 1st and 4th Amendments regardless of the potential public health benefits. If you're going to propose an alternative then it needs to be something that could actually be implemented in the real world.

More widespread voluntary testing is certainly needed but it's going to take a while to scale up capacity.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @11:29PM (#22829746)
The Supreme Court has a long history of upholding things like quarantines and curfews during public health emergencies.
Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by nradov on Friday April 10, 2020 @08:33AM (#22832376)
Read the precedents. There's no question that infectious disease carriers can be forcibly quarantined. But forcing apparently healthy people to undergo an invasive medical procedure (a search) in order to exercise their right to assemble would be another thing altogether. And long-term curfews for adults have never been upheld.
Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Friday April 10, 2020 @12:40PM (#22834715)
We've already banned or severely restricted the right to assemble in like 40+ states, and there's not much reason to believe that won't survive court challenges.
Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by notechback on Friday April 10, 2020 @01:31AM (#22830263)
Vaccine is expected latest by spring.
Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by tomohawk on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:10PM (#22827238)
Was there something in the article you found factually inaccurate?

The WHO put out several misleading statements, echoing uncritically the information put out the the CCP, even though the Chinese doctors on the ground were doing their level best to get the word out that there was a big problem.

Are you OK with that, or do you want throw around a bunch of off topic links to muddy the waters?

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @05:30PM (#22827418)
Sure, I'll bite.

"WHO Also Failed in the 2013 Ebola Outbreak" is factually inaccurate. The WHO successfully contained that outbreak, including a working vaccine for Ebola. Their definition of "failed" seems to be "one American got it in Dallas".

The Federalist article is trying to spin a yarn of "poor Trump was deceived by the CDC and the WHO" in an attempt to absolve him of any responsibility. It's not at all surprising from The Federalist, but it's sad to see folks fall for it.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by throwawaysea on Thursday April 09, 2020 @06:51PM (#22828027)
You're confusing two different Ebola outbreaks, I think.

The first outbreak to be contained using a vaccine was the one from April 2018. See https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/health/ebola-congo-who.ht.... Furthermore, the WHO did not create the vaccine. Merck did (https://www.mrknewsroom.com/news/company-statements/merck-ma...), building off prior work from Canada. WHO distributed this vaccine and they ended up qualifying it only in 2019.

The same NYT article and others (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/30/health/how-ebola-roared-b...) note that the 2013 Ebola outbreak was indeed handled poorly by the WHO, and that the WHO was roundly criticized for it.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by throwawaysea on Thursday April 09, 2020 @06:27PM (#22827854)
The Verge is painting this approach as crazy but it is actually not. The idea is that healthy and young people are at relatively low risk for serious health issues, and can therefore build up immunity and help reduce subsequent spreading of the virus. The Verge paints the length of immunity as an 'unknown' to paint the suggestion as absurd, but in reality there is no reason to doubt that immunity would be durable like it usually is.

Twitter was also wrong to lock the Federalist's account. Per the article you linked, Twitter bans coronavirus-related content that “goes directly against guidance from authoritative sources of global and local public health information.” But this reliance on authority is clearly a bad idea in a world where authoritative sources are regularly wrong. The WHO lied about human-to-human transmission, presumably in a bid to align to Beijing's propaganda. They lied about the effectiveness of travel restrictions, likely for the same reasons. They were wrong about airborne transmission. They lied about the effectiveness of masks.

Why should these digital platforms prevent any ideas to enter the sphere of public discussions except for those from limited sources that have a bad track record? This is exactly the risk of censorship and suppressing information and is exactly why Twitter, Facebook, and the rest should not be in the business of serving as editors or censors.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @06:33PM (#22827899)
> The Verge paints the length of immunity as an 'unknown' to paint the suggestion as absurd, but in reality there is no reason to doubt that immunity would be durable like it usually is.

Incorrect. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/coronavir...

"The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the CDC said in a briefing on Monday. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the Korean CDC."

> The WHO lied about human-to-human transmission

No, the WHO correctly noted at the time that they didn't have sufficient evidence to conclude it was occurring. (China may have been concealing it, certainly.)

> They lied about the effectiveness of travel restrictions

They were likely correct, given recent analysis showing it quietly spreading in NYC back in January.

> They were wrong about airborne transmission

No, you're wrong about what "airborne" versus "droplet" transmission means in epidemiology.

> They lied about the effectiveness of masks

Now this, I can agree with, and if you look at my submission/posting history you'll see plenty of criticism of that approach. It seems likely to have been intended to preserve supplies for healthcare workers, but it backfired.

> limited sources that have a bad track record

This perfectly describes The Federalist.

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by godzulu on Friday April 10, 2020 @12:17AM (#22829930)
feel free to check the articles and commentary by CNN, MSNBC, Gov Coumo etcetc from January thru the beginning of March... the Federalist is the least of my worries..Dorsey and his spawn are wrong
Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by throwawaysea on Thursday April 09, 2020 @07:04PM (#22828129)
> No, the WHO correctly noted at the time that they didn't have sufficient evidence to conclude it was occurring.

This is a stretch. Lookup timelines of China's handling of this issue. For instance from https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devas.... Human to human transmission was observed in the second week of December and the WHO continued denying this was the case in mid-January.

Look at the WHO's tweet from January 14th - https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152 - "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China". That's not them lacking evidence to conclude on it, that's them irresponsibly parroting Beijing propaganda.

That's exactly why Taiwan has also been criticizing the WHO - see https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6.... "Health officials in Taipei said they alerted the WHO at the end of December about the risk of human-to-human transmission of the new virus but said its concerns were not passed on to other countries."

Re:Candidate to Lead the W.H.O. Accused of Covering Up Epide... by ceejayoz on Thursday April 09, 2020 @09:53PM (#22829172)
The WHO doesn't have a CIA. They rely on member nations for their information. Taiwan's well-founded suspicions are still not proof; the NRO article you're citing alleges China lied to the WHO to conceal human-to-human transmission.