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Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by roenxi on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:17AM (#22821821)
You're quoting figures that a lump of rock has doubled and doubled in value since 2000 (plus a little bit). The BLS inflation calculator [0] tells me that inflation would have gotten the price to $420 by now (heh) which is not a doubling in anyone's book.

The trend is persistent, the rock is much the same as it has ever been. Do you have an alternate thesis to QE for why this is happening or are you happy to write it off as a mystery?

[0] https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by iso1631 on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:20AM (#22821832)
Gold started increasing in value in 2001

QE didn't start until November 2008 (gold = $814) That stopped by Nobember 2014 (gold = $1232). 51% increase in gold over 6 years, or 7% per year.

That is far lower than the increase in gold in other 6 year periods which didn't have QE.

Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by roenxi on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:24AM (#22821854)
A very fair point with which I can only agree. Care to hazard a guess as to why gold is rising though? The rock isn't changing.
Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by DoreenMichele on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:34AM (#22821918)
Gold gets used in electronics, so real world demand is up, and it's actually fairly hard to extract. This is being made harder by environmental protections that are making it illegal in many places to do things that are more efficient but come at a high environmental cost.

I wish we would actively foster panning for gold. It's environmentally friendly. It's "blue collar" work that doesn't require a college degree, spiffy resume and do forth and it doesn't take much gold per year to potentially support someone who otherwise might be homeless or flipping burgers (or both).

Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by pjc50 on Thursday April 09, 2020 @11:13AM (#22823298)
Panning is very location-specific, though. How does access for panning relate to land ownership / public management of rivers?
Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by DoreenMichele on Thursday April 09, 2020 @02:58PM (#22825954)
I don't know the answer to the land management piece. I do know that we live in a world that increasingly makes it hard for people just do a thing and make a living, without a college degree, a raft load of student loans and on and on.

I do know we have too little well-paid manual labor and too much of a divide between the have and have nots. I know you don't need much more than a gold pan to get started, which can be had for under ten dollars from places like Walmart.

I didn't research the land owenership/public management of rivers angle very much. I do know that it's not illegal in some places to dredge rivers on public land, which is extremely disruptive of the ecosystem.

This is more of less the summary of the research I did into the subject:

https://sandiegohomelesssurvivalguide.blogspot.com/2016/11/h...

Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by iso1631 on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:36AM (#22821932)
A richer world (both from more people and more economic activity) increases demand for things like jewelery, more use for gold (booming semiconductors) increases demand too.

There's then the perception that in bad times gold is a "safe bet". Low returns in savings accounts too.

Re:Helicopter Money: Way Out of Crisis or Fallacy of Traditi... by dillonmckay on Thursday April 09, 2020 @08:30AM (#22821896)
We can’t print more gold.