> There's many reasons not to trust the CPC. (ip theft, surveillance, etc.)

That's pretty much the summary of US attacks on our EU government as well (remember the backdoor direct attack on Belgacom?), soo... why does it make a difference? If anything, routing things through China denies our data to NSA and makes it less concentrated and useful. Similarly how spreading data over multiple cloud providers gives less power to Google et. al.

You ignored the humanitarian issues.

Also, please give me examples of a US or European country stealing IP, because that's the main threat w/ Zoom (spying on businesses & stealing tech)

Yes, most countries spy, China goes much much further and has no accountability because it's an authoritarian regime, not a democracy.

You can talk shit about Trump all you want, but try to call Xi Jinping a cartoon bear.

Ask Hong Kong, they'd love to have the freedoms that they once had as UK citizens.

I just told you a few days ago that if you keep taking HN threads further into political, nationalistic, or ideological flamewar, we are going to have to ban you. You're still doing it.

This sort of tedious boilerplate gets certain juices flowing but it has nothing at all to do with intellectual curiosity, the purpose of this site. In fact, it drowns it out. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the spirit of this site more to heart? We want curious conversation here, not demon-fighting.

Understood, could you delete my account and all of my comments please as I no longer wish to participate here.