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Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by meheleventyone on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @02:40AM (#22810569)
I’d like to point out that schools are not open in the normal sense in Iceland. All the older kids school is stopped and Universities are shut. Our youngest is three and is in her leikskoli on alternate days so they can maintain small group sizes with no contact between them. Our eldest is six and only in school for a few hours in the morning, skips a bunch of more risky activities and is again segregated from other classes. As many businesses are working from home or shut completely a lot of parents have also opted to have their kids at home.

We’re currently in a better situation than a lot of places but it’s by no means without significant changes to daily life. It’s also a lot to do with the early response.

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by dang on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @02:00PM (#22815332)
(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22808230)
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by mcdevilkiller on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @04:57AM (#22811223)
The thing is, your country reacted, decisions were made and things changed a lot, thus you at least can maintain some volume of classes. Imagine just thinking about something like this here in Spain. Our politicians are a joke, and society lazy and selfish.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by tirant on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @05:51AM (#22811503)
I don't see Spanish politicians making more or less mistakes that other governments in Europe. Spain was one of the first countries to adopt strict measures to limit mobility of its citizens. And according to Google Mobility Analysis [1] Spaniards have mostly complied with it, staying at home at much higher rates than other neighbouring countries.

So no, I don't see a reason to say that its politicians are a joke and that Spanish society is selfish and lazy.

[1] https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by panpanna on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:58AM (#22812116)
Spains problem could at least partially be attributed to really bad luck (e.g. a Champions League game against an Italian team)
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by jacquesm on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @08:30AM (#22812306)
At least they cancelled the Fallas just in time or the disaster would have been much bigger.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by arianvanp on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @05:20AM (#22811333)
Also just for perspective. The country of iceland has only 360K people. Their decisions are orders of magnitude easier to pull off.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by mikorym on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @05:48AM (#22811488)
South African here. We are 60m people (plus quite a few immigrants that are not counted) and we have a complete lockdown.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by vrinstan on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @06:59AM (#22811787)
What is a complete lockdown? Food workers don't go to work anymore?
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by Blahah on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @10:09AM (#22813066)
In SA right now I believe everything is closed to a much greater extent than most other places. For example, restaurants are not allowed to even deliver food. Only ingredients for preparing meals at home can be delivered by grocery stores. No alcohol or tobacco. Aggressive policing of the rules.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by Izkata on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @11:39AM (#22813888)
> Only ingredients for preparing meals at home can be delivered by grocery stores.

So they're also closed to in-person shopping?

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by mikorym on Thursday April 09, 2020 @06:43AM (#22821282)
No, that and pharmacies are the only shops that are open. You do get limited with the amount of people inside stores at any point in time. Also, you have to go to shops close to you, otherwise you'll get stopped by the police.

I think the comment was meant that if you are in the food business, the only option is to deliver ingredients. Some businesses that used to deliver vegetables to restaurants now deliver to houses instead.

But in-person shopping for food is allowed. I don't know what they will do in the medium term, because other services will have to start operating again.

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by arcticbull on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @04:45AM (#22811149)
Interesting, children are at basically zero risk (no child under 10 has died). I assume they don't want to spread it between parents via children?
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by michaelt on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @05:49AM (#22811499)
Basically, some simulations show [1] if lots of people from an otherwise-socially-distancing population all go to one central location, that increases the R0 (i.e. spread) of the virus.

This is a problem for anything that draws together lots of people from a large area into the same place - trade shows, sports events, music festivals, cinemas, conventions, busses and trains, food stores, beaches, universities and schools.

We almost certainly haven't hit on the most optimal solution - in my country we closed schools, yet keeping crowded metro trains running? - but it wouldn't have been wise to wait for more data to come in before taking any action.

[1] https://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs?t=1010

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by n8udd on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @04:58AM (#22811231)
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by grey-area on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @06:40AM (#22811713)
A five year old with pre-existing conditions sadly died, and some babies have died in the US, but the risk to children is thankfully very very low (percentages tend to 0% for that cohort at present the deaths are so rare), and infections among children are probably being massively undercounted.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by meheleventyone on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @05:44AM (#22811467)
Kids can get infected although at a lower rate under 15.

So yeah and essentially that by keeping contact limited if someone does get sick you only need to quarantine a limited set of people and close a classroom rather than the whole school. I feel like a lot of the success here has been in being aggressive with contact tracing and people able to take the social responsibility to self-quarantine.

Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by zelos on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:59AM (#22812121)
For primary age children at least, though, there will be roughly one parent/carer per child gathered outside the school gates, which has to be a major source of adult transmission.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by meheleventyone on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @11:46AM (#22813960)
Here we are all standing well apart and the kids are let out one classroom at a time.
Re:We’re working on 1M Covid-19 testing capacity per day by thinkingemote on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @04:47AM (#22811165)
Or other children and their family etc.