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Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday April 04, 2020 @06:18PM (#22781999)
Anyone who thinks FAANG will survive without a contraction is deluding themselves. What happens to the ad market during a depression? How about luxury IT hardware? Entertainment subscriptions? Web services?

If there isn't a bounceback in three months or so, the entire tech sector will deflate like a balloon.

FAANG will probably survive in some form because of cash reserves, but there will absolutely be cancelled projects and mass lay-offs. And those will have an effect on the the property and rental markets, on startup funding, and on everyone's cash flow.

Business is a herd phenomenon, and as soon as panic spreads through the herd it reverses direction - until some new excuse for optimism appears.

Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by thethethethe on Saturday April 04, 2020 @06:51PM (#22782179)
> FAANG will probably survive in some form because of cash reserves, but there will absolutely be cancelled projects and mass lay-offs. And those will have an effect on the the property and rental markets, on startup funding, and on everyone's cash flow

FAANG will lay off their armies of contractors before down sizing FTEs. Google has 125k FTEs but over 300k temps. Will it get to the point where FTEs are laid off? I’m not sure, but it seems pretty unlikely unless things don’t improve over the next few years or so

Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by throwaway2048 on Saturday April 04, 2020 @08:03PM (#22782548)
contractors aren't summoned from the aether, they still live in houses.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by quickthrower2 on Sunday April 05, 2020 @08:05AM (#22785183)
Are these temps and FTEs even doing the same role? It’s probably going to depend more on the role they are doing than work status.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by thethethethe on Sunday April 05, 2020 @03:25PM (#22787853)
Depends. There are many many contractors doing corporate tech stuff but there are also vendors making food and they all have the same bright red badge
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by ummonk on Saturday April 04, 2020 @08:26PM (#22782659)
I've been reached out to by Google recruiters with COVID-19 specific messages. They know this is the time to hire software engineers.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by mepiethree on Sunday April 05, 2020 @10:33AM (#22785753)
Startups with cash are doing this, too.

My takeaway so far is that the tech job search is going to be way more competitive for a while. Since this started, we have had about twice as many people pass phone screens. Smart people who were taking time off who suddenly want a stable income, and smart people who were laid off from less secure startups. Some very talented people that we would have hired two months ago, might not get hired when they interview next week, and it's not because we are hiring less.

Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by imprettycool on Sunday April 05, 2020 @01:22AM (#22783916)
This. Lots of cheap/desperate talent right now.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by jzl on Saturday April 04, 2020 @06:46PM (#22782157)
Yup. Google has basically doubled in employee count since 2016. It doesn't seem unreasonable at all that it would contract back a few years or more, headcount-wise.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by otterley on Sunday April 05, 2020 @03:03AM (#22784217)
Only two of the FAANG companies get most of their revenue from ads, and all of those companies are weathering the storm rather well (except perhaps Google, but I can’t say for certain).

Facebook is struggling to keep up with site demand; more people are using it to communicate while shut in during this period of uncertainty.

Apple has enough cash on hand to not sell a single product for months - maybe years - and still keep paying everyone. But they have plenty of subscription-based revenue coming in anyway.

Amazon can barely keep up with demand to the extent that they are hiring 100,000 people and denying shipments of nonessential goods. (disclaimer: I work for AWS but have no inside information here; I read the same news stories everyone else does.)

Netflix is entertaining more people than ever who are stuck at home.

Google is, well, Google, and like Apple, awash in cash.

It’s not the FAANG companies we need to worry about; it’s the startups that were based on great ideas but needed the space and investment to incubate them but are now rapidly being depleted of oxygen.

Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by tonyedgecombe on Sunday April 05, 2020 @06:00AM (#22784808)
Facebooks problem won't be lack of users, it will be lack of advertisers.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by otterley on Sunday April 05, 2020 @02:10PM (#22787243)
While it is true that the marketing budget is often the first to go in terms of spend, FB is also awash in cash ($35B at EOY 2019) to keep them afloat for quite a while.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by quickthrower2 on Sunday April 05, 2020 @08:07AM (#22785193)
This is day zero. Let’s see what happens on day 1.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by dehrmann on Saturday April 04, 2020 @10:07PM (#22783169)
> Entertainment subscriptions

$15 per month for Netflix might be one of the cheapest forms of entertainment in a recession. Classpass, not quite so much.

Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by AdrianB1 on Saturday April 04, 2020 @07:39PM (#22782422)
The cloud service providers will survive because they have a serious and relatively stable revenue from their services; even if they drop revenue to half, they cut contractors and investments for some months or a year and they are fine. Companies that rely on ads (like FB) will take a bad hit, ads are not essential services and companies will cut hard on that.
Re:Startups are pummeled in the ‘great unwinding’ by tech-historian on Sunday April 05, 2020 @12:29AM (#22783734)
There may be modest layoffs in some specific targeted teams. But the giant tech companies are still hiring right now too. I'm still hearing from their recruiters.