Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:07AM
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iMessage itself bugs you to enable backups?
> iOS programs choose how their data is backed up.
Well desktop apps don't. Would you say that no desktop app that saves its key can ever qualify as end-to-end encrypted?
> And besides, iCloud is made by the same company, it's not a separate entity.
I'm not convinced that's relevant to whether the encryption is end-to-end or not.
Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
by modeless on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:18AM
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> Would you say that no desktop app that saves its key can ever qualify as end-to-end encrypted?
I would say that no app can qualify as end-to-end encrypted if a large fraction of users send their data to the maker of the app in a form that can be decrypted by the maker of the app, regardless of the reason.
Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:21AM
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If iMessage was made by a third party and worked exactly the same then you'd have no objection to calling it end-to-end encrypted?
Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
by modeless on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:26AM
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No. This is a necessary condition for being end-to-end encrypted, not a sufficient one. But iMessage doesn't meet it.
Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @04:54AM
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Okay, so if I can't guess your point of view, then it would really help if you would answer the question I asked about desktop apps.
> An unencrypted system-level backup doesn't mean that the program being backed up is failing at security.
iOS programs can choose how their data is backed up. iMessage isn't just getting its data stolen by iCloud accidentally. These backups are a feature of iMessage as much as iCloud. And besides, iCloud is made by the same company, it's not a separate entity.