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Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns by modeless on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:18AM (#22756146)
> Would you say that no desktop app that saves its key can ever qualify as end-to-end encrypted?

I would say that no app can qualify as end-to-end encrypted if a large fraction of users send their data to the maker of the app in a form that can be decrypted by the maker of the app, regardless of the reason.

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Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:21AM (#22756917)
If iMessage was made by a third party and worked exactly the same then you'd have no objection to calling it end-to-end encrypted?
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Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns by modeless on Thursday April 02, 2020 @03:26AM (#22756936)
No. This is a necessary condition for being end-to-end encrypted, not a sufficient one. But iMessage doesn't meet it.
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Re:SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @04:54AM (#22757269)
Okay, so if I can't guess your point of view, then it would really help if you would answer the question I asked about desktop apps.
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