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Re:What the Nurses See by MyHypatia on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:51AM (#22749181)
Right now doctors and nurses are being fired by their hospitals for speaking publicly about lack of PPE. You would think that whistle-blower protection, freedom of speech, or occupational safety laws would prevent this from happening. But now that we need medical staff more than ever, hospitals are firing them for alerting the public. Is there anything that can be done about this?
Re:What the Nurses See by nradov on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:25AM (#22749623)
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Re:What the Nurses See by GuB-42 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:39AM (#22749787)
Do you have any source for that? It sounds insane.

Hospitals need all the workforce they can get. No matter what they do now, during the pandemic, there will be no shortage of patients. And I suppose it is in their best financial interest to treat as many as possible, and it means a lot of personnel.

Having it the other around makes a lot more sense: doctor doesn't feel safe because of a lack of PPE, refuses to work, gets fired, complains about it. If that's the situation, it is not about whistle-blowing, it is about the right to stop working if the conditions aren't safe. Both are (or should be) basic workers rights, but these are very different things.

Re:What the Nurses See by MyHypatia on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:50AM (#22749952)
I read about it here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/hospitals...

The relevant quote: "Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, said he was told Friday he was out of a job because he’d given an interview to a newspaper about a Facebook post detailing what he believed to be inadequate protective equipment and testing. In Chicago, a nurse was fired after emailing colleagues that she wanted to wear a more protective mask while on duty. In New York, the NYU Langone Health system has warned employees they could be terminated if they talk to the media without authorization."

Re:What the Nurses See by AS126 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:40PM (#22751409)
If this is true, it's absolutely insane! There's a global pandemic, medical staff is overwhelmed psychically and mentally. It seems there is no justice for them. They should be praised and helped by authorities, understood by all people. Yet, I'm reading about doctors and nurses being fired for speaking out their safety concerns.
Re:What the Nurses See by LorenPechtel on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:31PM (#22751306)
No. The regulators aren't going to do anything about a hospital that doesn't have enough staff these days. There's no downside for a hospital to fire someone for speaking up, but letting them get away with speaking up is asking for malpractice suits.
Re:What the Nurses See by dfxm12 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:42PM (#22750667)
You would think that whistle-blower protection, freedom of speech, or occupational safety laws would prevent this from happening.

Just as a stop sign doesn't physically make your car stop at an intersection, a law won't prevent someone from firing someone else illegally. A fired employee can bring bring a wrongful termination suit, but the recently fired rarely have the means to see these through, even in the best of times. Employers know this.

Re:What the Nurses See by MyHypatia on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:21PM (#22751173)
Does this qualify as "wrongful termination"? Is it actually illegal for hospitals to fire medical staff for publicly voicing concerns about lack of PPE? That is what I am wondering.
Re:What the Nurses See by gentleman11 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:14PM (#22752513)
Wrongful morally, or legally? A lot of people seem to believe that if something is legal, it is okay
Re:What the Nurses See by lisper on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:37AM (#22749764)
> freedom of speech

Applies only to the government. Your employer can restrict your speech -- and pretty much any aspect of your private life -- however they wish.

Re:What the Nurses See by wool_gather on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:19PM (#22751138)
This is entirely not true when discussing the conditions of work: see the National Labor Relations Act. Nor is it strictly true for speech that takes place outside the workplace.
Re:What the Nurses See by lisper on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:46PM (#22751456)
> This is entirely not true when discussing the conditions of work: see the National Labor Relations Act.

The NLRA is pretty much toothless nowadays.

https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-firings-were-about-unionizing...

https://medium.com/@GoogleWalkout/google-fired-us-for-organi...

> Nor is it strictly true for speech that takes place outside the workplace.

You are nominally correct. However, if I am your employer and I want to fire you I can almost certainly come up with some legitimate reason to put on the record. Your only recourse will be to file a wrongful termination suit and try to prove that the real reason I fired you was something other than what I said it was. Good luck with that.

Also, if you're in an at-will state, I don't even have to come up with an excuse. If I want you gone, you're gone.

Re:What the Nurses See by snug on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:35AM (#22749745)
Do you have a source on this? I couldn't find anything on google
Re:What the Nurses See by MyHypatia on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:51AM (#22749959)
Re:What the Nurses See by jpalomaki on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:53PM (#22751554)
Should understand why the hospitals are worried about this kind of comments.

Are they afraid of lawsuits? These kind of statements could look bad in the court. You go to hospital for some standard procedure, then get covid, then sue the hospital for not taking proper precautions.

Re:What the Nurses See by gentleman11 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:17PM (#22752537)
There is a story going around blaming the Chinese government for concealing numbers, but in the West private industry is stepping up to the job of concealing equipment shortages.
Re:What the Nurses See by bluedino on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:38AM (#22749771)
source? do the nurses unions protect this?
Re:What the Nurses See by MyHypatia on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:52AM (#22749975)