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Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by qwerty456127 on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:50PM (#22729661)
> because he couldn't walk up behind me to see me working, he secretly installed a program on my computer that took a screenshot every 30 seconds

> The irony was that I was probably the most productive person in that office (in my humble opinion).

The easiest and the most efficient way to ruin my productivity is to look at my screen. I can't work (nor can I pee - a funny coincidence, that's called "paruresis") when somebody is watching.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by jlarocco on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:52PM (#22730347)
Off topic, but related to this...

I had, what I felt, was the best seat in the office at my previous job. We had an open office with short cubicles and standing desks, and the cubicles were arranged so that two people shared a small area with two desks/cabinets/etc.

For a while, it was wonderful. My "cube-mate" worked from home 4 days a week and only came in for meetings, and we had a window on one side and an empty desk on the other. It was about as great as an open office can be.

And then my manager moved into the cube nextdoor, and arranged his desk so that when he stood at his standing desk (which was most of the time), he was looking directly over the cube wall at me and my monitors. It made me very self-concsious and uncomfortable, and was (a small) part of the reason I left, TBH.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by downerending on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:36PM (#22730806)
Looking back over my career, there's an obvious inverse correlation between being watched and being productive. Well, except that I'm able to look productive while being watched, and arguably that counts as "productivity". Just not the kind the company probably had in mind.

Works the other way as well. I don't want to be able to see what others are working on--open offices are also distracting for this reason.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by mcv on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:12AM (#22735986)
I've always been terrible at looking busy. At my very first job, I'd written a bunch of macros and scripts to generate my code directly from the functional design, so half the time I would be leaning back watching all my scripts do their thing. My boss hated it.

Over time, I think I've gotten better at looking busy while reading HN. I don't think there's a very strong correlation between looking busy and being productive.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by Chirael on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:04PM (#22731145)
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve read HN through lynx for this exact reason.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by nepthar on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:13PM (#22731824)
You know, I've always wondered why there are so many stories about these middle management types who seem to pay so close attention to things that are _not_ employee productivity. I guess on first glance, it may appear that "looking busy" corrates to "getting stuff done", but why not cut out the middle man and pay attention to what the employee actually does?
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by godelski on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:53PM (#22732623)
I'll give you a potential corollary. Quality control.

In a perfect world, quality control twiddles their thumbs all day, does some tests, and collects a paycheck because everything is perfect the first time.

In practice, I know engineers who leave in tiny and easy to fix mistakes for QC to catch. They do this because if they turn in something with no errors QC finds something for them to add, frequently requiring larger changes and thus creating a crunch. QC does this because they have someone breathing down their neck who measures their effectiveness by how many errors they caught. I'll refer you to Goodhart's Law[0].

I'll also note that I see this as a common "tip" for paper submissions. But I'm not sure it is as strong of a correlation as when passing things through QC.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by jakub_g on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:03PM (#22733073)
Related: "Just remove the duck"

https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/06/05/duck/

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by greedo on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:39PM (#22732069)
That requires the middle managers to actually understand the jobs and responsibilities of their staff. For me, this hasn't been the case in over a decade. Since my current boss doesn't really have a technical understanding of what's involved with his teams responsibilities, he instead simply feeds metrics to his boss (also not technical). These metrics range from tickets closed, system uptime, and "automation." I would love to have the Bobs come in and ask him what he actually does here.

It's also important to realize that what middle management wants and what its staff thinks is important usually diverges. Middle management wants to look good, to climb the ladder. Staff generally wants someone to provide guidance, and remove obstacles. If middle management isn't technical, there ends up being a gap.

My favorite is a manager who hired a DevOps admin. This person had never touched Docker, yet after a one week course, was put in charge of our environment. Needless to say, he's made Docker look really bad due to his inexperience. The manager looks good though, because our stodgy company is using Docker.

My second is the manager who was hired to manage our SQL and Oracle team. He has no experience with either database, and was a pity hire by our VP. He's been wonderful.../s

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by prox on Monday March 30, 2020 @06:34PM (#22732900)
It’s like I am reading the rough draft script for Office Space 2
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by cryptica on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:31PM (#22733235)
The problem is that most middle managers don't really care about the product. Their entire job is just message passing between higher level managers and lower level employees. Their real purpose in the organization is to propagate a sense of hierarchy which makes directors feel important and the workers feel unimportant.

Their purpose is to manipulate the self-esteem of the people within the organisation so that workers feel so bad about themselves that they never feel entitled to ask for a raise and directors feel so good about themselves that they feel entitled to keep paying themselves large bonuses. Middle managers don't serve customers, they only exist to serve the emotional needs of their bosses.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by mcv on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:33AM (#22736079)
I notice a lot of people here feel uncomfortable when other people can see their screen. I completely recognise that feeling, though over time I learned to ignore it, and these days I just don't care anymore.

That said, there has been one situation where it was actually an advantage that everybody could see our screen. We had the most terrible working spot you could imagine: next to an intersection of two corridors, in a room that was open on one side, had a glass wall on another, was shared with another team, and had only a single window. A co-worker was sitting with his back to the intersection so everybody could see his screen. At the time, we were playing around with Neo4j, which has a nice graphical browser interface, and everybody seeing that, got us into contact with a couple of other teams we didn't know before that were also using Neo4j.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by watwut on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:47PM (#22732145)
My experience with middle management is the one of incompetence and personality that enjoyes little power trips.

I had also good managers, but imo, the way companies are organized currently attracts and promotes leaders that are bad at leading part.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by jlarocco on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @12:02PM (#22738868)
To be fair, I don't think the manager in question did it purposely to monitor me, but it made me uncomfortable nonetheless.

TBH, I should have asked him about it, but I couldn't think of a way to bring it up that didn't sound rude or suspicious, and it turned out I left soon anyway.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by martin-adams on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:14PM (#22732365)
I fear that a lot of this stems out of those managers having a fixed mindset, where they feel that they are smarter and more productive than everyone else (telling themselves that's why they got promoted), but they also don't trust that their staff being productive.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by uoaei on Monday March 30, 2020 @01:03PM (#22729805)
Same here -- until recently the door nearest my desk was the one the CEO would use to enter/leave the office. The first thing you see when you open that door is my 21" screen, and it was nerve-wracking the whole time. Now that I'm home I'm so much more relaxed, and way more productive as a result.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by ravenstine on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:20PM (#22731327)
I'm only like that because I know that someone looking at my screen will either misinterpret what they are seeing or they will ask a question that requires a lengthy answer(a domain they have little understanding over yet is under their authority), so my brain goes into overdrive trying to figure out how to answer them in a way that gets them to go away as soon as possible.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by nineteen999 on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @03:11AM (#22735498)
My touch typing goes to pieces whenever somebody is watching for some bizarre reason. It's like my fingers get self conscious and start tripping over themselves. I'm normally a 75-80 WPM typist.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by hef19898 on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:42PM (#22731523)
I developed that paranoia over ten years ago in my first real job. The only desk available was the one right next to the door. With the back to the door. Everyone who entered the office had no choice but to stand in my back and look at my desk and screen. Still flinch when someone comes up behind me when I'm working, even it's my kids.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by jameslevy on Monday March 30, 2020 @06:04PM (#22732694)
This is one reason why it's really not natural for some of us to do whiteboard coding interviews, or even CoderPad, etc. interviews. It's like trying to pee when someone is watching you, although that's not an analogy I would encourage job seekers to make to a hiring manager.
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by lmohseni on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:43PM (#22733346)
I've failed several CoderPad interviews in a row, it's to the point where if a job listing specifically mentions CoderPad, I won't apply :\
Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by Tomte on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:34PM (#22731440)
For a time at an old employer I had a desk with a glass wall directly behind me.

On the other side of the glass wall was the pause room, with the coffee machine and everybody gathering. That felt really awkward.

Re:Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers by dilipray on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:33PM (#22730782)
> (when the screenshot was taken - this was in the late 90s BTW)