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Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by coldtea on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:29PM (#22724088)
After you run out of ventilators the sky is the limit when it comes to deaths.

When you still have ventilators, only a few very elderly/unlucky die...

So a country with 10,000 cases and 1,000 ventilators can have 20 deaths, and another with 10,000 cases and 500 ventilators might have 400 -- if of the 10,000 cases in both 520 need ventilator... (and some die, whether with ventilator or not, but many wouldn't if they had ICU/ventilator treatment).

Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by naveen99 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:53PM (#22724229)
Mortality from ARDS is 50% even with ventilators. Source: wife is a pulmonologist and I am a radiologist.
Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by petertodd on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:22PM (#22724380)
Are there other reasons why C19 patients would need ventilators? Or is ARDS the main reason?

Is that mortality rate consistent across different underlying causes?

Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by naveen99 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:46PM (#22724487)
ARDS is the main reason. 40% mortality from just ARDS. Mortality goes up with covid19, age, sepsis, and renal failure.
Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by petertodd on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:46PM (#22724194)
You'll need to back up the claim that "only a few very elderly/unlucky die"

What % of people actually survive after being on a ventilator? Because I've seen various studies and anecdotes of this for C19 specifically, with results ranging from "basically no-one" to "80%, at least temporarily, but hardly anyone is actually out of hospital yet so maybe they're going to die later".

Beyond C19, this study suggests roughly something like 50% long-term survival IIUC: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26003390

Ventilators are invasive things that themselves can do lung damage. Fairly common for people to choose not to go on them in end-of-life directives.

Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by scarmig on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:42PM (#22724169)
Medical system capacity and utilization explain the vast majority of the variation in mortality among different countries, after accounting for stage of the epidemic.

When things are not above capacity, mortality is 0.5% or less. After reaching capacity, mortality jumps 10x or more.

Age distribution can only account for variations within, at most, a factor of two.

Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by goatlover on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:05PM (#22724297)
So Spain's (and France's to a lesser degree) medical system got overwhelmed that much faster than Germany's or the UK's?
Re:The death toll for Covid-19 in Nembro, Italy by marvin on Monday March 30, 2020 @05:43AM (#22726458)
They might have been very late with testing. I know this was barely on the radar in France even 2-3 weeks ago. MRSA has also been suggested as a component.