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Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by MiguelVieira on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:18AM (#22663279)
It feels like Europe and the US only have a few options:

  * Let the virus run its course and accept a huge death count.
  * Continue the lockdowns for months, strangling the economy.
  * Do what's in this article and allow life and the economy to return to normal.
  * Hope for a miracle.
Am I missing something?
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by simias on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:46AM (#22663527)
They could find an effective cure that would make managing the disease a lot easier. We could let the disease spread if we had a reliable way of curing people and reducing the death rate to an acceptable level. After all we don't go on lockdown every year during flu season.

Maybe you put that in the "miracle" bullet point but I think that's a bit pessimistic.

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by JoshuaDavid on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @05:05AM (#22673190)
That is firmly in the "miracle" bucket.
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by dbbk on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:22AM (#22663321)
I believe the UK just ordered millions of antibody tests, that will tell you if you've previously had the virus. If we can confirm that people who previously had it are immune, we should be able to selectively let those back into normal society a lot faster.

That's my understanding, I may be wrong.

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by iso1631 on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:32AM (#22663399)
Which creates a two-tier society. Those with antibodies get to go about their business, go out to cafes and pubs, get hired for jobs which antibodyless people can't do.

Those who don't have the antibodies are stuck under house arrest, so decide "ahh screw it, I'm going to go and get infected".

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by bitcharmer on Monday March 23, 2020 @10:47AM (#22664592)
Would you rather keep the immune people at home to satisfy some odd urge of "social justice"?
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by Dahoon on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:03PM (#22669291)
What next? Juden signs on houses?
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by lazyjones on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:53PM (#22670236)
Those without antibodies can get plasma with antibodies.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/05/how-blood-plasma-from-re...

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by Narty on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:26AM (#22663349)
Does the antibody test even exist yet? I was under the impression it doesn't.
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by DennisP on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:40AM (#22663476)
The FDA just approved one, and the company says it will ramp up production fast, but as far as I know it's not available in quantity yet.

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/20-20-bioresponse-...

The FDA has given states the authority to approve antibody tests on their own.

https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/03/16/fda-pandemic-respons...

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by dbbk on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:28AM (#22663365)
They're due to arrive in weeks so I assume they do: https://www.cityam.com/millions-of-coronavirus-antibody-test...
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by yulaow on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:35AM (#22663424)
It sounds like the politician hopes the tests are "built" in few weeks but the producer has not them yet and I am not sure they will have in "a few weeks" unless he means months
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by Narty on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:32AM (#22663392)
Well that's great news!
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by lazyjones on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:46PM (#22670194)
The virus doesn't magically teleport from one person to another. Aerosol infection is still somewhat disputed. If adults washed their hands and stopped putting their hands in their mouth and nose like toddlers, their viral load and resulting infection would be less severe. We will all sooner or later get some copies of COVID-19 in our bodies, make sure it's not too much.

Hopefully the panic measures introduced because people are too dumb to understand basic hygiene will be pulled back soon before the economy blows up and we have much bigger problems than a few 100.000 dead people.

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by glofish on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:30AM (#22663385)
perhaps what you are missing is that even lesser measures could have massive impacts,

- do we need to take the temperature of everyone at each hour? almost certainly not. Should you be reporting in from every location? almost certainly not. Should we be treating each other as bioweapons all in the name of "safety"? absolutely not.

- is it good if mobility is reduced? almost certainly it has a massive effect.

I think the right course of action is to give all these measures some time to work. Let's stop adding yet another measure and keep making the ones that exist better.

Epidemiologists need to chill out a bit and stop treating a society as a mathematical model or molecules bouncing around in a container.

Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by simias on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:48AM (#22663547)
Modeling the spread of a virus is insanely complex and all existing models are certainly flawed one way or the other but doing nothing and just see what happens doesn't seem very rational to me. As more data comes in, models improves and we can adjust the response.
Re:The Virus Can Be Stopped, but Only with Harsh Steps, Expe... by glofish on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @08:49PM (#22680807)
I did not advocate "doing nothing" instead I said let's see what the current measures are doing.