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Re:Substantial undocumented infection facilitates rapid diss... by ves on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:37PM (#22648739)
It’s untrue that natural selection always guides pathogens to be less lethal.

This is covered in ch. 64-66 of Quammen’s “Spillover”, which covers a seminal paper by Anderson and May[0] considering the case of myxomatosis.

Here’s some salient quotes:

Laboratory experiments showed that all field strains produced lesions that provided sufficient virus for transmission to occur,” he wrote. But the strains of very high virulence (grades I and II) killed rabbits “so quickly that infectious lesions were only available for a few days.” The milder strains (grades IV and V) produced lesions that tended to heal quickly, he added—and then the payoff, “whereas strains of grade III virulence were highly infectious for the lifetime of the rabbits that died and for a much longer period in those that survived.” Grade III, at that point, was still killing around 67 percent of the rabbits it touched. Myxoma virus, thirty years after its introduction, had found this level of virulence—being pretty damn lethal—to maximize its transmission. It was still capable of killing most of the rabbits it infected, but capable also of assuring its own survival with a continuous chain of infections. The first rule of a successful parasite? Myxoma’s success in Australia suggests something different from that nugget of conventional wisdom I mentioned above. It’s not Don’t kill your host. It’s Don’t burn your bridges until after you’ve crossed them...

...they[Anderson and May] plotted a relationship between virulence and success. Their result was a model-generated prediction: Given this rate of transmission, given that rate of recovery, given those unrelated mortalities, then . . . an intermediate grade of virulence should come to predominate. Son of a gun, it matched what had happened.

[0]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/parasitology/article...

Re:Substantial undocumented infection facilitates rapid diss... by systemvoltage on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:49PM (#22648887)
This is horrific. I am gonna use this term "Don't burn your bridges until after you've cross them" to communicate that contagious incubation period is extremely dangerous and the reason why the current Coronavirus epidemic turned into a global pandemic.

Thus, testing is by far the most important capability to have - it is a litmust test whether the pathogen is ready to build one of those bridges to cross.

Re:Substantial undocumented infection facilitates rapid diss... by rolph on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:10PM (#22649058)
basically the selection mechanism is about being able to make copies of yourself that can make copies this mean reproductive success. when you can make copies that make copies at a higher rate overall then all others competing along the same resource access, you have i higher frequency of copy than all others, that is differential reproductive success and is the foundation of neodarwinian models of evolution