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Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by dimator on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:32PM (#22634005)
you're right, testing is the long term solution. you can't control what you can't measure.

the embarrassing point is that in the US, isolation is the only effective tool at this point. it's embarrassing because ramping up testing was what South Korea did, and they started much sooner, and that's why they are over the hump now. the US simply doesn't have the testing scaled up.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testin...

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by rhino369 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:11PM (#22634327)
Testing is only part of it. Korea never mass tested the population at large.

They traced the chains of the infections and quarantined everyone until they were tested clean. They found new chains through sick people who were tested.

Without investigation and tracing the chain of infections, you can't contain it through testing alone.

And the fact that were was an undetected outbreak in the west coast of the United States for several weeks probably made containment impossible, even using the South Korean model.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by therealdrag0 on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:09AM (#22634783)
Yep. I keep seeing people saying Korea tested everyone, but they only tested ~0.5% of their population.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by surewhynat on Friday March 20, 2020 @10:16AM (#22637652)
I think they mean they tested "everyone they could"
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by pwned1 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:40PM (#22634074)
Testing is rising extremely quickly in the US. Over 27,000 in the last 24 hours: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by cwojno on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:26AM (#22634878)
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by pwned1 on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:31AM (#22637347)
There's a difference between distributed and utilized. Is that confusing?
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by MiroF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:17PM (#22634359)
What's interesting is that the rate of negative results seems to be roughly constant. I would expect that with an expansion of testing we would see many more negative results as a proportion (if we were allocating tests early only to the most likely cases and are now expanding the reach of testing)
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by deelowe on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:15AM (#22634809)
My guess is that we're still short on tests, so only people who most likely have the virus are getting tested.
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Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by whatshisface on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:12PM (#22634336)
Sure, so the solution to idiots misinterpreting the data is that we need to make it impossible for experts to record the data. /s
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by luke0016 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:16PM (#22634353)
What's the alternative? Wallow in ignorance some more? I prefer to know what's actually going on.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by dublinben on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:13PM (#22634338)
It sounds like we should be doing more education, rather than less testing.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by hkmurakami on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:44PM (#22634102)
The US neither (1) didn't take it seriously enough, and (2) CDC's initial test kits didn't work properly.

Korea and other nations in the area took it seriously due to their proximity to China and previous recent experience with infectious disease: HK experienced SARS, Korea experienced MERS.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by BurningFrog on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:07PM (#22634313)
CDC and/or FDA also banned everyone in the country from doing tests themselves.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by BoiledCabbage on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:16PM (#22634354)
And more importantly, the Administration never stepped in to fix it no matter how obvious a problem it was causing. It took them ages to have the FDA make an emergency exception to allow private testing.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by chasd00 on Friday March 20, 2020 @10:27AM (#22637741)
actually reshaping FDA policy in the time they did is nothing short of miraculous. I know teams of 5 that can't change their way of doing things that fast.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by BoiledCabbage on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:37PM (#22638952)
> actually reshaping FDA policy in the time they did is nothing short of miraculous.

Yeah no. Not remotely. It was dead obvious. I think you're underestimating the influence a call from the head of the executive branch has. This was easily fixable weeks earlier.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by senderista on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:48PM (#22634141)
The US could have used the WHO test in the meantime.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by m0zg on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:03PM (#22634281)
I've read that it couldn't. Those kits were never offered to the US: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/health/who-coronavirus-tests-...
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by officialjunk on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:12PM (#22634333)
couldn't? sounds like the US didn't even try asking. the article says: "No discussions occurred between WHO and the CDC about providing tests to the United States"

and

"US chose to design its own coronavirus test"

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by wy3yebdudu on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:45PM (#22634108)
Not really that embarrassing considering how big the US is, it's about as embarrassing as when European countries brag about their choice metrics.