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Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by jcims on Thursday March 19, 2020 @12:24PM (#22628985)
This is it 100%. I work at a major financial institution and we invest ridiculous amounts of money, effort and, frankly, delay, in understanding our supply chain, its security posture and risk management model. It's a unbelievably gargantuan effort and if it weren't for the scary shit that we find all the time one could easily argue it's a waste.
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by transpute on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:03PM (#22629380)
> It's a unbelievably gargantuan effort

Also applies to software supply chains:

https://www.platformsecuritysummit.com/2019/speaker/sherman/

> Today’s software is largely assembled rather than written, and most of the assembly comes from open source components. The creation of components and their inclusion into applications creates a “supply chain” just like in conventional manufacturing. While physical supply chains have well established chains-of-custody to establish properties like refrigeration maintenance, authenticity or spoilage avoidance, the software supply chain is very much a wild, wild west, filled with vulnerabilities that can be (and are) inadvertently inserted into applications. As supply chain risk and mitigations are being explored by government and academia, a larger attack surface is being uncovered that needs to be addressed.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by jcims on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:28PM (#22629641)
We do that too. :)
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by hinkley on Thursday March 19, 2020 @03:00PM (#22630509)
I mean, imagine you have a 3 year contract with a supplier, and when you go to renew they get cagey and seem to be giving you the runaround. Later you find out that it's because they already signed a contract with one of your competitors that begins the day after your old contract expires.

We laugh about golf and Vegas visits, but it's really hard to stab someone in the back when you're used to looking them in the eye. If they're just some suit you meet once every three years? Fuck 'em.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by victor9000 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @12:47PM (#22629239)
What problems have you encountered that others should avoid?
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by Spooky23 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:15PM (#22629535)
Over the years, I have run into:

- Counterfeit components, like memory out of spec that creates scaled failures.

- Fake products from the channel.

- Fundamental mistruths with regard to how services are delivered.

- Poor operational practices for maintaining SLA, especially for off-shored services. Those ops folks will move mountains to meet the minimum standard of "up", but will allow problems to fester.

- Fraud. Fake on-site employees sending work back to a boiler room with people actually doing the work.

- Fraud. Named users actually being fake people sharing a credential. In one case, a colleague in a manufacturing case discovered this when he accidentally received a link to an open video stream of a MFA token.

- Fraud. Stuffing fake or inferior products into orders. Example: Order new laptops, find a bunch of refurbs in the pallets.

Basically, people suck and if you primarily make purchasing decisions based on price, and you care about what you are buying, you need to treat the counter-party as a potentially hostile actor and assume that you are going to be ripped off.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by 6510 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @04:28PM (#22631368)
I read when having bicycle frames made in Taiwan you get the best price/quality ratio if you have a permanent onsite observer in the factory. That guy doesn't really do anything but they wont cut corners if he is around.
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by notyourday on Thursday March 19, 2020 @06:25PM (#22632401)
You get what you pay for. If you aren't paying for the guy to be the observer there's no one to observe.
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by dredmorbius on Thursday March 19, 2020 @09:26PM (#22633637)
You don't get what you pay for.

But generally value derives from multiple independent credible verifiable audit mechanisms.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by notyourday on Friday March 20, 2020 @08:13AM (#22636904)
> You don't get what you pay for.

Yes you do. You get exactly what you pay for. If you pay for a dozen of German inspectors who think Chinese factory produces junk that is outside the spec, a dozen of German inspectors with that attitude are going to do inspections. If you do no want to pay those German inspectors, you are not going to get those inspections.

In most of the cases companies do not want to pay for it. Apple manufactures amazing iPhones in China. Apple iPhones easily last 5-6 years. Blu manufactures crappy Android phones. They barely last a year. Apple's iphones cost more to manufacture than Blu phones sell for.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by Spooky23 on Friday March 20, 2020 @10:07AM (#22637596)
You don’t if you just throw money at it.

But when you build ongoing relationships, you get benefits from not pushing for the bottom dollar at all costs.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by eru on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:26AM (#22634876)
Or from reputation.

A company with a reputation for quality can charge more, because you don't need observers and can just rely on them. And they want to deliver on the reputation, so that they can keep milking it.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by dredmorbius on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:32AM (#22634909)
The value of trust.

JS Mill has some interesting observations going back a ways.

Auditing is still recommended.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by eru on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:51AM (#22635014)
Definitely, auditing is one way to speed up the process.

Ignoring auditing for a moment:

The trustworthy reputation is quicker to build, if the quality of the product is easy to ascertain quickly.

But if you are a company in a sector where that's not possible, the reputation for quality becomes even more valuable.

And you can potentially ride it out for a long time in an exit scam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_scam

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by maerF0x0 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @04:39PM (#22631491)
> Fraud. Named users actually being fake people sharing a credential. In one case, a colleague in a manufacturing case discovered this when he accidentally received a link to an open video stream of a MFA token.

This is a classic bait and switch in many online work platforms. The person who interviews for your open contract/role is not the person who does the work.

Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by jcims on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:04PM (#22629395)
They run the gamut. Lack of a viable risk management program, lack of resiliency planning and testing, poor operational and change management controls, poor visibility and response planning for security events, poor SDLC security, etc. etc. The requirements vary based on our exposure.
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by robk on Thursday March 19, 2020 @01:10PM (#22629471)
What have you found? (Omitting any details that would be confidential of course)
Re:Is It Time to Rethink Globalized Supply Chains? by malandrew on Thursday March 19, 2020 @08:31PM (#22633299)
> the scary shit that we find all the time

Curious to hear examples if you can share.