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Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by listsfrin on Monday March 16, 2020 @01:41AM (#22590324)
I've never seen studies that say anything about "permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients". Where did you read this?

"young patients, the ICU rate is as high as 10%."

Any links?

Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by saithound on Monday March 16, 2020 @04:02AM (#22590893)
Even the very first COVID-19 study [1] showed that 42% of the survivors (and _all_ of the deceased) treated in the Wuhan pulmonary hospitals experienced sepsis. Sepsis [3] causes tissue death all around the body, leading to permanent decrease in the function of the affected organs. Our ways of mitigating sepsis work only for bacterial infections, which COVID-19 isn't [2].

Sepsis aside, just plain pneumonia in adults is no laughing matter: pneumonia survivors are twice as likely to die as others in their demographic, be they rich, poor, old or young [4]. See the long term effects of SARS: if you survive, your health status and exercise capacity will be impaired for a long time, potentially for the rest of your life [5].

[1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

[2] https://www.epmmagazine.com/news/new-drug-could-stop-sepsis-...

[3] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sepsis

[4] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4066634/

[5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20337995

Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by listsfrin on Monday March 16, 2020 @05:26AM (#22591220)
Quotes from link 1

> Sepsis was a common complication, which might be directly caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection, but further research is needed to investigate the pathogenesis of sepsis in COVID-19 illness.

> 91 (48%) patients had a comorbidity, with hypertension being the most common (58 [30%] patients), followed by diabetes (36 [19%] patients) and coronary heart disease (15 [8%] patients).

Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by treis on Monday March 16, 2020 @09:57AM (#22592688)
>I've never seen studies that say anything about "permanent lung, kidney, and testicle damage, even in young and healthy patients". Where did you read this?

It's obviously bullshit. How would we know about "permanent" damage from a disease a few months old.

Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by bavell on Monday March 16, 2020 @11:06AM (#22593325)
Ya know, because we humans can't regenerate organs at the drop of a hat... or at all. So if your lung tissue starts dying, that's it. The best you can hope for is permanent scarring to replace the dead tissue. Scar tissue is a poor replacement for the original by many measures.
Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by treis on Monday March 16, 2020 @11:47AM (#22593662)
>regenerate organs

Some organs can and others can grow in size to compensate for reduce efficiency. Plus, there's no real evidence that Covid is causing organ damage.

> if your lung tissue starts dying, that's it

That's definitely not "it". Your lungs can repair damaged tissue and the system as a whole can adapt to compensate for portions that can't be repaired. And also no real evidence that long term damage is being done.

Re:Washington governor announces shutdown of restaurants, bars by bavell on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:49AM (#22602103)
I don't have any links handy but I've seen reports that in a few cases covid19 has indeed caused permanent lung damage after the infection subsided. Apparently it's rare but possible but don't take my word for it.

I don't think any other organs growing in size are going to compensate for reduced lung function. It's true our bodies adapt to damage but once the tissue is dead it's not coming back.