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Re:Corona Simulator by azinman2 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:23PM (#22580290)
What I don’t get is that we keep hearing quarantine isn’t effective, yet it seems to be in China and South Korea: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lockdowns-work-s...
Re:Corona Simulator by rst on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:42PM (#22580420)
Chinese lockdowns are the most extreme form of social distancing -- everyone in Wuhan and similar hotspots stays home, not just ones for which there's some reason to suspect infection. In South Korea and elsewhere in China, there's special attention to quarantining people who are starting to show symptoms, and close contacts -- but there's also substantial social distancing as well (closures of schools, museums, retail...). There are examples where quarantines have been part of a successful strategy, but it's hard to find one where they've worked with no other elements.
Re:Corona Simulator by darkerside on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:37PM (#22580382)
I think it's more of, quarantine isn't economically feasible. But then, things that aren't feasible can often become feasible in different circumstances.
Re:Corona Simulator by mantap on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:38PM (#22580756)
Economically it doesn't make much difference. You can either isolate people now or later. The period of isolation will be roughly the same because you have to wait for the virus to exhaust its pool of hosts (in a household). Definitely politically it makes a big difference.
Re:Corona Simulator by darkerside on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:22AM (#22583039)
Now and later make a HUGE difference economically. Time value of money. Business cash flow. Not to mention, if it turns out to be unnecessary later, later becomes never.
Re:Corona Simulator by azinman2 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:41AM (#22584035)
The scale of the problem will be so much larger because we aren’t doing a quarantine. In an exponentially growing virus, one single day makes a large difference.
Re:Corona Simulator by jopsen on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:50AM (#22584080)
True, there might also be a vaccine in the future.

Another argument is that we just need it to grow slow enough for a vaccine to be ready.

Re:Corona Simulator by maxerickson on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:35AM (#22581312)
Who is saying quarantine isn't effective?
Re:Corona Simulator by azinman2 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @03:01AM (#22581871)
This article, to start, for multiple paragraphs:

As Lawrence O. Gostin, a professor of global health law at Georgetown University, put it: “The truth is those kinds of lockdowns are very rare and never effective.”

Re:Corona Simulator by maxerickson on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:26AM (#22582825)
It's a language problem. Things like self quarantine of infected (and potentially infected) people have a big impact on how fast a disease spreads (meeting the bar for "effective" in my mind).

What they don't do is completely stop it.

Re:Corona Simulator by azinman2 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:36AM (#22584010)
New cases in China and South Korea have slowed to a crawl.
Re:Corona Simulator by iso1631 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @12:24PM (#22584265)
There were zero cases in Italy 6 weeks ago.

Lets assume China and South Korea manage to stop every single person from having it - even people with mild symptoms, and get 99% of people crossing the borders into quarantine for 14 days.

They then lift the lockdown.

Aren't they simply back to the stage Italy was in 6 weeks ago? A couple of weeks later one or two of the 1% of people avoiding quarantine. They can try the "contain" phase again, but eventually that will fail, so after 4 months from loosening the reigns, they're back into major outbreaks and back with lockdown. Expect that to happen many times over the next 18 months.

Even with a vaccine we haven't managed to eliminate polio or measles, and almost everyone is immune to them and doesn't carry it, we won't be able to eliminate covid either.

Re:Corona Simulator by maxerickson on Sunday March 15, 2020 @01:50PM (#22585101)
It'll be (at a minimum) months with no new outbreaks in an area before social behavior starts to return to what it was before an outbreak. New outbreaks won't look the same as the first ones.

I think it is still early to say we know, but it also looks like there is a period of immunity after infection. So there's a fair chance that will also slow the spread of each repeated outbreak.

Re:Corona Simulator by iso1631 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @02:11PM (#22585322)
Only if a measurable number of people have that immunity. Assuming having it gives you immunity, Hubei has 1 in 10,000 with immunity, that's not enough to change it's spread
Re:Corona Simulator by azinman2 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @02:55PM (#22585686)
“ Polio does still exist, although polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated more than 350 000 cases to 22 reported cases in 2017. This reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease. Today, only 3 countries in the world have never stopped transmission of polio (Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria).” -WHO

You can make a very large dent. My guess is in these 3 countries you’re not seeing every child vaccinated with Polio. Hopefully with COVID-19 the anti-vaxers will quiet down and we’ll get more herd immunity generally.

We don’t know what measures China will take to ensure their curve stays flat. They might keep the lockdown until there are 0 cases and fully close their borders. This is where having a competent authoritarian government that people trust is actually beneficial. They might be able to do it.

Meanwhile I have zero faith that the US gov (where I live) will be able to handle this situation. It’s going to be wide spread, and will leave a giant unemployed workforce in its wake.