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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by chrisco255 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:11PM (#22560581)
This disease didn't exist 4 months ago and you're calling it a scandal that they can't process billions of tests in that short time frame? It's also not enough to be tested just once as there have been many false negatives. Scaling that up is an immense challenge. It was also exacerbated by the fact that China wouldn't allow our researchers into the country to study the disease. Meanwhile they've already reached stage 1 clinical trials for a vaccine in just 2 months. Fastest turnaround time ever for any clinical trial of a vaccine, ever.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by Reedx on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:20PM (#22560680)
South Korea has been running 10k tests per day since February.

The US has run less than 10k in total. That is a colossal failure.

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by adventured on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:37PM (#22560866)
> The US has run less than 10k total. That is a colossal failure.

Question claim in fact, although it is persistently being repeated everywhere constantly, for propaganda purposes. Three of the major private lab companies indicate they'll be at a 10,000 combined per day test capacity before the week is out.

The US doesn't know how many tests have been run in total nationally. A large volume of tests have been distributed to hospitals and private labs around the US, the majority of which do not report their numbers back to a central authority (such as the CDC). That's a failure of centralized reporting and organization, due to the US having dozens of separate healthcare systems which the Feds do not control.

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by paulmd on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:52PM (#22561025)
> the majority of which do not report their numbers back to a central authority (such as the CDC).

State infectious disease registries are absolutely receiving ELRs (electronic lab reports) and transmitting case reporting back to CDC and data is currently moving for novel coronavirus as well.

The term you are looking for is NEDSS/NETSS reporting.

> Today, all 50 states and Washington, D.C., use NEDSS-compatible integrated surveillance information systems to send case notifications to NNDSS.

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/nedss.html

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:45PM (#22561537)
> Three of the major private lab companies indicate they'll be at a 10,000 combined per day test capacity before the week is out.

So you think we should celebrate that after a month to get ready, we'll have finally caught up with a country 1/7 our size in testing capacity?

The US is currently testing the smallest percentage of its population of any developed nation: https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/1238156462708477958

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by xbmcuser on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:20PM (#22560677)
USA has a habit of using medical personal as spies so understandable if countries don't trust them. WHO had already provided testing kits but US didn't accept wanted to build it own bungled it the first time and is waiting for private companies to build the tests. CDC was not allowing hospitals and labs to do their own testing so I think you guys should stop blaming China and start looking inwards. Had US done everything perfectly then balmed China then it would be understandable so far they have bungled all the steps now blaming China for it. South Korea, Singapore the rest of Chinese neighbors didn't need to go to China to be on the ball. But oh China didn't allow usa inside China.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by saati on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:16PM (#22560644)
The US doesn't have billions of people, just checking the ones coming from the countries where it's present would have been enough, other countries managed to do it.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by chrisco255 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:43PM (#22561513)
They did that weeks ago. Where have you been? They shut down travel from China a month ago. Which countries managed to contain this thing, by the way? Because I see tens of thousands of cases in Europe and Asia and the Middle East, by the way.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:46PM (#22561548)
Taiwan and Singapore appear to be containing it thus far.

China, too, if you can trust their numbers, and South Korea's look positive after a big starting spike. Each of these countries took early (except for China, but they shut down Wuhan with fewer cases than the US has now), aggressive steps that should be considered a model for others.

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by chrisco255 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @06:09PM (#22562413)
South Korea has 8,000 active cases, over 114 today alone. Singapore has a population of 5.8M. They've got 178 cases. The U.S. has a population of 320M with 1338 cases. That means their infection rate is nearly 10x higher than the U.S. Meanwhile, we are taking action. Shutting down European travel, Chinese travel, cancelling schools, cancelling NBA season, NHL season, etc, etc...We are taking aggressive steps.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 12, 2020 @06:32PM (#22562631)
> That means their infection rate is nearly 10x higher than the U.S.

No, it probably doesn't. It probably reflects the fact that we're not finding folks, because we're not testing enough.

Ohio's (Republican, incidentally) governor, for example, is stating that their five confirmed cases likely indicate 100,000 undetected in the community so far: https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1238177953126604801

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by chrisco255 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @09:32PM (#22563925)
Look, we can only debate about confirmed cases. You can speculate as to whether there are more or less undetected in one country or another but that's just going to be a bunch of hypothetical posturing leading nowhere.
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by ceejayoz on Thursday March 12, 2020 @11:30PM (#22564476)
A country 1/7 our size has done 25x the testing.

If you don't think that affects how our numbers net out, I'm not sure we can have a rational discussion beyond here.

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by chrisco255 on Friday March 13, 2020 @12:28AM (#22564721)
Source?
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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by ceejayoz on Friday March 13, 2020 @09:38AM (#22567135)
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/815097813/experts-credit-sout...

> In terms of per capita testing, Korea has run 3,600 tests per 1 million population. In contrast, U.S. has just run five tests per 1 million people.

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Re:Fed to inject $1.5T to prevent ‘unusual disruptions’ in m... by neurocline on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:09AM (#22573334)
We had 1300 cases. Now it's over 2000. It will be well over 5000 by next week. It does not look like other countries have higher infection rates than the U.S., but nearly similar.
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