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Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by Scoundreller on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:29PM (#22514224)
And while it's hard to measure, a lot of people do "support" Starbucks with their wallet because of that.

Some don't, but on average, it can be a net positive.

It's the kind of thing you need a scientific study with randomization to tease out. You can control for all the confounders you want, but you can never control for unknown/difficult to estimate confounders, like human emotion.

Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by HenryBemis on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:35PM (#22514286)
I bet SBUX can easily issue a report with the traffic pre & post policy change. They measure everything from sales, identify unique customers (debit/credit cards), WiFi connections, etc. It would be easy to show a report how this policy change lead to which results for each store/city/state. And they also have the analytics capabilities to also layer this by richness/poverty levels for each point of sale.
Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by Scoundreller on Saturday March 07, 2020 @05:08PM (#22514528)
The interesting aspect of the study is that they compared Starbucks to nearby cafes/restaurants. So nearby locations could have had a 10% increase while Starbucks had a 3% increase.

While SBUX has all that data, they would only see their own data.

Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by _bxg1 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:35PM (#22514280)
> you need a scientific study

Or just... the fact that the company is still doing it. That's the other thing that's weird to me about this study: surely Starbucks itself has already studied and worked out the calculus that the PR effect is a net positive?

Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by 29083011397778 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:41PM (#22514311)
The linked paper (even just the abstract) states there's ~7% less attendance, and ~4% less time spent at most Starbucks locations. Even if people vote with their wallets, it doesn't seem to be making up the difference as others avoid Starbucks in response to this policy.
Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by yellowapple on Saturday March 07, 2020 @08:36PM (#22515674)
I had trouble opening the paper (keeps asking for some signup in which I have no interest), but it doesn't sound like they've adequately isolated other factors, e.g. people thinking Starbucks is overpriced and subpar compared to other coffee shops (myself included) or people preferring to support local businesses over some sprawling multinational (myself included).

That is: it's hard to rule out the possibility of this being just coincidence.

Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by publicgood123 on Sunday March 08, 2020 @09:33AM (#22517923)
an ungated version can be found on one of the authors' website: http://www.umitgurun.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/privatep...
Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by yellowapple on Sunday March 08, 2020 @10:09AM (#22518088)
Awesome, thanks!
Re:The Perils of Private Provision of Public Goods by Scoundreller on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:55PM (#22514422)
It's less attendance/time spent compared to nearby cafes/restaurants. Starbucks might be up overall pre vs post.

The problem is the lack of randomization.

We can't know if something else Starbucks did at or around the same period caused the drop. E.g. the initial protests themselves upsetting customers in the first place or a change in pricing/promos by itself or a competitor. Maybe Starbucks jacked up its prices (or others starting discounting), which is why the public disclosures don't indicate the relative drop in traffic.

But "The decline in visits is around 84% larger for stores located near homeless shelters." is quite damning.