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Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by floatingatoll on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @02:33PM (#22487116)
Traditional taxi drivers own their taxi medallions and may transfer those medallions to other drivers, which provides one key aspect of their "independent" contractor state: If the cab company mistreats them, they can take their medallion elsewhere.

Uber's model prohibits drivers from subcontracting (transferring) their rides to others, which pierces the veil of 'independent contractor': either a contractor can subcontract, or they're not a contractor.

Caveat: This is not at all a complete argument for or against taxis or gig economy, but is meant to show how a division exists between the two to permit further consideration of the ruling.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by djrogers on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @02:36PM (#22487152)
> Traditional taxi drivers own their taxi medallions

That's not really the case in a lot of places - drivers 'rent' medallions from Taxi companies, as the medallions cost many times the annual income of a driver. Although, their value is droppnig due to ridesharing apps.

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Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by squiggleblaz on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:18PM (#22487590)
Why say "ride sharing"? It's not sharing a ride. You can't use uber to basically organise carpooling. It's buying a ride.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by aianus on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @05:31PM (#22488875)
Yes you can, I turn on Uber Driver every night on my commute home from work and they only give me riders heading in the same direction. You can do this up to twice a day on Uber.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by ericd on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @05:10PM (#22488696)
You certainly can, at least in some of their markets. The vast majority of my Uber/Lyft rides are carpool rides, frequently there are 3 of us in the car with the driver.

It's called Uber Pool, and Lyft Line.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by reaperducer on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:59PM (#22488028)
"Ride sharing" is a common term for Uber and similar companies because when Uber first started you did, indeed, share rides.

Now it's more correct to call it a "ride hailing" platform, but the original term still sticks.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by tombot on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:13PM (#22487552)
Medallions are a US permit, this article is about a ruling in France.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by throwaway744678 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:38PM (#22487792)
The same system exist in France: taxi driver must own a medallion ('plaque') which they purchase from someone retiring, rent from a taxi company, or get issued by the city (this is theoretical in large cities: very few new medallions are created).

Anecdotally, the taxi company owning the medallion are not allowed to rent them: so instead they rent cars to their contractors, and lend the medallions to their renters.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by Jommi on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @06:05PM (#22489129)
Mut Uber drivers are VTC drivers which are governed by different rules.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by AmericanChopper on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @02:55PM (#22487357)
> either a contractor can subcontract, or they're not a contractor.

This doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. I often work as a contractor. If I decided one morning to send a friend into a clients office to fulfil my duties, I would not even expect them to be able to gain entry to the building.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by throwanem on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:03PM (#22487459)
Are you a contractor, or are you an employee of a contracting firm? I've been both, and it is a meaningful distinction.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by AmericanChopper on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:12PM (#22487542)
I’ve been both a contractor directly for companies, and contracted through contracting companies (being an employee for a contracting company is usually called being a consultant, which I’ve also been). In either case I would not assume that I could arbitrarily sub-contract my work out to others.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by floatingatoll on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @10:26PM (#22490694)
The ability to subcontract is one of many tests for whether you are an independent contractor or not.
Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by AmericanChopper on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @11:08PM (#22490876)
In which jurisdiction? How many tests are there? How many do you have to pass?

It’s a pretty ridiculous assertion to claim that you must be able to sub-contract to be a contractor, and I’d be surprised if there was even one jurisdiction in the world where that was true. It would mean you could never screen contractors.

Re:Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees by Gibbon1 on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @03:03PM (#22487452)
I would argue you aren't a contractor then