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Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by blacksqr on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:42PM (#22471600)
Every new programming style epiphany is an ad hoc, intuitively-specified, hazy restatement of the Unix Way.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by mhd on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @03:04AM (#22472723)
If Unix is your yardstick for simplicity, that just shows how far we've come…
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by ailideex on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @03:21AM (#22472804)
Linux is incredibly simple compared to Windows once you actually your computer as a computer instead of as a really poorly made gaming console.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by vntok on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @06:11AM (#22473473)
Try talking Grandma over the phone to help her share her photo directory with Aunt Jeanine, on the same PC. No command line allowed, and you know she can only focus on that type of task for 4, maybe 5 minutes top.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by mhd on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:09AM (#22474121)
That wouldn't work reliably under Windows, either, as nobody knows anything about files and directories generically anymore.

(That's the reason why first the Windows explorer was suddenly sufficent enough and then almost completely disregarded)

A public folder on the same PC is way harder to explain than just telling your photo app to share it with your resident spying company/cloud provider, despite how wasteful the round trip is.

Not that that has anything to do with a discussion about the "unix way" as a special case or even superset of IDEs.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by SahAssar on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @04:27PM (#22478865)
I think you're confusing easy and simple. Windows is easier (for most people), but linux is certainly simpler.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by ptx on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @07:37AM (#22473926)
I can't imagine any system where you'd have a good chance of succeeding in that scenario without some kind of remote administration tool. Remote controlling a user over the phone is difficult, unreliable and time-consuming.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by userbinator on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @07:59AM (#22474054)
No command line allowed

It's easier to tell someone what keys to press than to find and manipulate UI elements.

on the same PC

On a PC, everyone already has access by default, so "sharing" doesn't involve anything additional.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by darkmighty on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:10AM (#22474131)
My mother can't reliably remember how to operate the remote control but uses linux just fine (browsing, editing text documents, etc).
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by lallysingh on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @07:37AM (#22473928)
.. install remote admin tool? Gotomypc etc?

Or just tell them to copy it to a USB stick. Yep, same machine, it's still the best answer.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by t0astbread on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @07:52AM (#22474006)
Share? Google Drive. Or email. Both of which are equally good/bad to explain to grandma on Windows and Linux.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @09:50AM (#22474841)
Bullshit. You're talking about an operating system where the common advice for someone who wants to install up to date software is to fucking compile it from source because the whole community never got their collective shit together enough to allow developers to directly distribute binaries without a gigantic fucking headache.

Christ, it's such a fucking mess that one of the most compatible ways to distribute software is to write it for Windows and rely on WINE.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by busterarm on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:33AM (#22475245)
Hardly. I've maybe had to do that 5 times in the last...10 years?

And I split my time between Arch, CentOS & OpenBSD. The vast majority of things these days are packaged in a useful way. There's also flatpak and similar now.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @03:00PM (#22478214)
> I've maybe had to do that 5 times in the last...10 years?

Good for you. Some of us have to install up to date software more often than every 5 or 10 years.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by busterarm on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @03:29PM (#22478432)
I'm running Arch on my office workstation. I install up to date software literally every day.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:12AM (#22483880)
Only after a third party makes an AUR for it. I'll stick to an OS where the developer can publish directly to the users without 15 different packaging formats, thanks.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by ailideex on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @10:26AM (#22484507)
Again, flatpak, appimage, docker ... you can use one of these, don't have to use 15.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @11:05AM (#22484878)
No, the developer can choose one of these. As a user, I have to deal with all of them because I cannot choose how the developer distributes it and there is no standard. If I could choose, I'd use AppImage for everything (since it is the only one that is portable) but I can't do that.
Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by ailideex on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @05:49PM (#22479481)
> compile it from source

Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

> [no way to ] to directly distribute binaries without a gigantic fucking headache.

I mean, flatpak, appimage, docker, etc ...

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:14AM (#22483896)
> Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

Completely unnecessary on Windows since it is an operating system, not a kludge of random source code from the internet.

> I mean, flatpak, appimage, docker, etc ...

Which of those is ubiquitous enough to ensure availability of what you're looking for in that format? In my experience: none of them. AppImage is easily the best, but the community seems to hate it because it makes things too flexible and simple or something.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by ailideex on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @10:26AM (#22484502)
> Way simpler to do on Linux than M$ Windows.

Where, pray tell, do people who write the software for this "operating system" store their source code if not somewhere that is connected to the internet? Do they use punch cards?

> Which of those is ubiquitous enough to ensure availability of what you're looking for in that format?

Have not met someone who hates AppImage. flatpak is also rather ubiquitous. I use both every day.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @11:07AM (#22484896)
> Have not met someone who hates AppImage

Talk to Drew DeVault, to name one.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by joana035 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @05:24AM (#22473272)
UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity.

And it is 2020, I guess nowadays everybody understand how unix-like system works and how simple they are.

Re:Simple Systems Have Less Downtime by testuser66 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:43AM (#22472616)
And thus, a new law was born.