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Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by Retric on Monday March 02, 2020 @07:55PM (#22470797)
Cancer patients in chemo are the opposite of healthy. They are at vastly higher risk for a huge range of things because the ideal chemo treatment takes someone to literally the edge of death while killing off as many cancer cells as possible. Cancer meanwhile is doing it’s best to evolve past this setback to continue growing as fast as possible.

This quite reasonably makes most doctors very cautious during the process. To the point where significant studies on exercise have been done to verify it’s still safe.

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by jcims on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:05PM (#22471198)
I understand this perspective, but I wholeheartedly feel that a patient should have agency in any decision where risk is involved. They certainly have the agency to deny treatment when it clearly is going to result in their accelerated demise, but they have no ability to access treatment that, at worst, could result in the same but at best give them a bit more quality or quantity of life.
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by asdff on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:46PM (#22471619)
It seems like a fair request, that you should be able to do what you want, but that isn't what you are asking of the doctor in this situation. You are asking them to do something outside the bounds of their profession to do what you want.

An extreme example would be if a suicidal patient asked their therapist to put a bullet in their head rather than give them an antidepressant, should the patient be free to ask for this and should the therapist be obligated to fulfill this request? It's a question of what is ethical and that goes beyond your own agency. You are free to put a bullet in your own head, or find your own source of vitamin C, but you can't put that ethical dilemma on the doctor and expect a result.

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by ohmanthatsnotso on Monday March 02, 2020 @11:08PM (#22471711)
Cancer is not an entity, or creature. The whole concept of “fighting the cancer” or “cancer is doing it’s best” is completely misguided. Cancer are damaged cells in a highly acidic body. Chemo is adding even more acid to the body. Cancer appears to spread and grow since all conventional treatments do not understand the very basic concepts of cancer. There is no catalog of hundreds types of cancers. This is a man made industry. Eye cancer is lung cancer is prostate cancer. It’s just the location in which your body was unable to eliminate waste through the lymphatic system. Create a base chemistry and your lymphatic system and kidneys will be able to eliminate. Every person who suspects having “cancer” or really any sort of tumor or cyst should be consuming only fruits high in astringents such as organic grapes and aronia. And absolutely never get a biopsy. The body knows to keep the damaged cell inside a tumor and medical doctors decided the best thing to do was poke holes in it, which then makes it far easier to spread. Insanity...
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by jcims on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @12:41AM (#22472118)
I generally agree with the beginning and the end but the middle is a mess.

Cancer may feel like a sentient adversary at times, but it’s just genetic instability (volatility?) combined with suppressed apoptosis, self-sustaining growth/replication signaling, immune evasion and angiogenesis to sustain large populations.

This results in an evolutionarily supercharged population of non-functional cells that out-compete normal cells until a major system is disrupted. The nature of a specific cancer cell is going to be informed by the primary source, so while they frequently share characteristics they aren’t the same and don’t generally respond to the same treatments. Saying that eating fruit and elevating blood pH is going to make them all go away is pretty absurd...it didn’t work out for Steve Jobs. Even if the pH thing was generally true, the tumor microenvironment would quickly adapt to foster a locally acidic pH.

IMHO an assisted human immune system will be the ultimate answer to cancer.

I do agree that biopsies of encapsulated tumors are a terrible idea. But once the cat is out of the proverbial bag in stage III/IV think they are useful.

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by ohmanthatsnotso on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:27AM (#22472541)
Funny how Steve Jobs is the example you bring up. It is known he did several conventional treatments and also consumed animal protein quite often. With your logic, I can point at any one of the 600k chemo patients who die every year and say, guess chemo didn’t work for them did it.

I have been involved in natural healing for over 30 years. I have seen countless people cure cancer. I know this is not something HN crowd welcomes, and that is unfortunate. Cancer has been solved a long long time ago. Grape fasting, aronia fasting, combined with periods of dry fasting + specific herbs + kidney glandulars can heal pretty much every disease known to man. Cancer included.

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by jcims on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:36AM (#22472586)
Trust me i want to believe but where’s the documentation? Who was cured, who wasn’t cured, what was their initial diagnosis? Did they try any standard meds too? What was their level of compliance with this therapy? At this point there’s nothing differentiating your claim from so many others that claim weed or mushrooms or liver purges or whatever cured their cancer.

Chemo is barbaric, but it has kept people alive.

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by bdamm on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:56AM (#22472678)
If that's true, then the study should be easy to conduct. Plenty of young PhDs looking to make a name, surely one can be found to run such a study. Then just a short flight to Stockholm for the Nobel. So?
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by bennyelv on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @06:23AM (#22473522)
Where is the evidence? If you present evidence I'm sure it will be welcomed.
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by Retric on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @03:49AM (#22472912)
There are examples of cancer becoming a completely separate organism. Such as:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_facial_tumour_disease

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by nradov on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @01:33AM (#22472315)
Not that debunked acidity nonsense again. Stop spreading medical disinformation.
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by adrianN on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:39AM (#22472599)
To see how well a fruit diet works, look at what happened to Steve Jobs.
Re:Vitamin C and Immuno-Oncology by kazinator on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @01:46AM (#22472359)
I also want to start dropping acid; any advice?