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Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by asdff on Sunday March 01, 2020 @05:26PM (#22459814)
It's not like that. If you want to be hired as a staff scientist, you need a PhD. If you have an MS you can't be a staff scientist. If you have a BS you can't be a staff scientist. The most you'd get with those degrees is Research Assistant or Technician, then you will hit a ceiling in your career unless you step away from research and step more into business. This is true in academia, government labs, and the private sector, both in the U.S. and internationally.

It's like if you want to be a General, you are going to have to be a Private first. There is a progression in the sciences.

Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by caf on Sunday March 01, 2020 @07:30PM (#22460476)
It's like if you want to be a General, you are going to have to be a Private first. There is a progression in the sciences.

That's not how the military works at all. A Private is an enlisted rank, and their career path typically tops out at a level like Warrant Officer.

If you want to be a General, you're going to have to start as a Lieutenant (the lowest commissioned officer).

Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by jogjayr on Monday March 02, 2020 @12:48AM (#22461976)
I think they got their analogy slightly wrong but it makes sense. If you want a career in research, a Bachelor's or Master's degree is like enlisting. You won't progress beyond a certain level. Whereas going to grad school for a PhD is like attending a military academy - which is the only path to becoming a general today. A military academy has the added benefit of a guaranteed officer job upon graduation. No such guarantees exist for a PhD.
Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by barry-cotter on Monday March 02, 2020 @06:13AM (#22463409)
> Whereas going to grad school for a PhD is like attending a military academy - which is the only path to becoming a general today.

What proportion of officers in the US Armed Forces graduates from the military academies? A third? I very much doubt graduating from one is required to become a general. Being a great political operator is but it’s not like only military academy graduates can do that.

Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by dragonwriter on Sunday March 01, 2020 @06:04PM (#22460030)
> If you want to be hired as a staff scientist, you need a PhD. If you have an MS you can't be a staff scientist. If you have a BS you can't be a staff scientist.

That's not entirely true, though as I understand it is becoming more true; there are definitely places that will promote to positions for which the normal route is a post-graduate degree based on a lesser degree plus experience (including publications under the rubric of experience).

Now, university faculty positions, degree standards tend to be ironclad, though.

Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by willis936 on Monday March 02, 2020 @07:31AM (#22463803)
I face this unfortunate reality. I am simply not rich enough to get a PhD. I am certainly capable and willing. So instead I work as a tech in a research group of something that interests me for wage that is still too low for my capabilities.
Re:UC Santa Cruz fires 54 grad students who were striking fo... by RijilV on Sunday March 01, 2020 @05:56PM (#22459991)
that last line is what my point is. Stepping stones and prerequisites are part of many career progressions - actually quite the norm.

There’s a way that academics come off which I don’t think they intend to - which is somehow their path is special and their trials are unique.

They’re not.