Assange Hearing Day 2

Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by anonsivalley652 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:18AM (#22423078)

Is it typical for the US to jail Australian journalists or publishers in another country in a supermax prison in solitary confinement for almost a year on trumped-up charges to seek extradition for doing their job? You're conflating different entirely situations. The US MSM won't cover it because the powers that be won't let them and the MSM doesn't want to outrage people how publishing and reporting facts has been perverted into a "crime" because it doesn't suit those in power. If you're Jesse Ventura, Cenk Uygur or Phil Donahue, that's off the top of my head who just MSNBC has tried to silence. Chris Hedges - NY Times is another. Please get a clue rather than oversimplifying or rationalizing your lack of big-picture understanding and desensitized lack of empathy.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by tyingq on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:21AM (#22424363)

"You're conflating different entirely situations."

Not really. I'm saying that stories about poor jail conditions, excessive holding cell time, no speedy trial, violations of attorney-client privilege, etc, won't get much air time in the US. It's not newsworthy because it's common. We have the highest per capita incarceration rate of any country, deplorable jail conditions, and nobody cares.

It's not whether I'm conflating. The US public will conflate and think, "yeah, bad jail conditions, poor rights protections, lack of due process, excessive confinement, already knew about that. yawn." Editors are aware, so this won't be big featured news here.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by belorn on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:05AM (#22422984)

From time to times there are detailed articles by writers that happen to have a brush with the US jail and legal system. I can't recall any where they could not shake hand with their lawyer and have their court documents, including privileged communications from their lawyer taken. The typical US jail experience is bad, but I don't think the evidence say it is that bad.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by tyingq on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:27AM (#22423155)

I've personally seen all of that and worse. Anecdotal, of course. It is worth noting that the experience varies wildly in the US. Every city, county, federal, etc, jail has its own set of written and unwritten rules.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by spinglespingle on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:23AM (#22422315)

the US has successfully become a 3rd world country.

power in the hands of a few: check corruption at the highest possible level: check a gradually more authoritarian "leader": check a people who support such a leader: check military might used against political opponents: check enormous amounts of poverty cleverly ignored: check

the list goes on. i suppose there is a time for every powerful nation to go into a deep decline that it will never recover from, and such decline usually starts when people ignore what's going on right in front of them. had russia done to assange what the us is doing now all of them EU, US and other hypocrites would be jumping like their arse was burned: but human rights. but torture. but freedom of the press. but this and that. well, enjoy your dystopia.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by westmeal on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:18AM (#22423662)

I mean, and this is just my opinion, this decline has been happening for a loooong time. Reagan just made things even worse by the war on drugs. Consolidation is just making things worse. I mean seriously look at the effective tax rate in the US for corporations over time [0]. The US is just making legislation to benefit corporations instead of individuals.

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/US_Effec...

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by smoyer on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:47AM (#22423338)

I think we're more like a first-world banana-republic.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by partomniscient on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:12PM (#22426171)

No, it just has the really high levels of corruption like a 3rd world country.

They still have rather large amounts of both weapons and economic leverage.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by anonsivalley652 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:23AM (#22423118)

Yep. This is because of the vicious circle of money capturing power through greater wealth, greater corruption, and greater power. As Chris Hedges calls it: inverted totalitarianism. Autocratic plutocracy by force by other means. It's like how many Americans are chained to their jobs by healthcare and other benefits, but let's not call it slavery or indentured servitude (student loans) because anarcho-capitalism with "no government, no regulations and more greed will solve everything! It will just work itself out magically!"

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by dzonga on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:47PM (#22429585)

the US has been a rich 3rd world country, since Reagan.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by linuxftw on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:51AM (#22423378)

As if any of this is recent. People keep voting for the same crooks, generation after generation. Another election cycle, nobody is talking about the wars, just what benefits the government should pay for.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by glennvtx on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:39PM (#22428218)

Nailed it. Just vote harder, amirite? This has come so far from the individual freedom that the bill of rights was envisioned to protect. Now the question is "what is right thing to do for me" rather than "what is the right thing to do."

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. - anon

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by linuxftw on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:07PM (#22428468)

It's crazy. I always speak out about the wars, that's the single most important issue of our day. The government is literally killing people overseas, spending literal trillions of dollars. You would think it's something we can all agree on, but people treat you like a literal crackpot.

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Re:Assange Hearing Day 2 by kyleee on Friday February 28, 2020 @03:15AM (#22441310)

Keep spouting off, it's better than being silent about it all

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