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Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by Legogris on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:23AM (#22412569)
And now they have a one-stop shop for all their DNS surveillance needs.
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by gaius_baltar on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @09:43AM (#22413562)
> And now they have a one-stop shop for all their DNS surveillance needs.

There are a few dozens of DoH services out there [1] and nothing prevents anybody else from running their own.

[1] https://github.com/curl/curl/wiki/DNS-over-HTTPS

Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @12:07PM (#22414875)
But Mozilla's justification tables around making security better for all users by dictating default settings that are expected not to change. So, defaults need to achieve the goals.
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by detaro on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:32AM (#22432652)
How many of those "dozens" would you consider usable as a default for a browser?
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by 0xdeadb00f on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:29AM (#22432639)
There are dozens, and yet Mozilla chooses the same company that forces Google captcha on site visitors that try to protect their privacy by using a VPN or Tor?
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by drenginian on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:26AM (#22412586)
Well it’s absolutely happening right now to every unencrypted DNS server, so what’s your point?

DNS is the most openly insecure aspect of the entire internet. It’s wide open.

Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by teddyh on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:36AM (#22412634)
So you’re arguing that everybody should switch to DNS over TLS (DoT), then? Sounds great!
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by bepvte on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:40AM (#22412670)
DNS over TLS is just DoH but with an easily blocked separate port
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by Legogris on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:42AM (#22412682)
Which is great from a local sysadmin perspective. With DoH I have no control of what various apps on devices on my devices are querying.
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by JoshTriplett on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @10:43AM (#22414026)
Or in other words, DoH works better on hostile networks because it looks like just one more HTTPS connection.

That's an intentional design feature. You're attempting to intercept traffic, and any mechanism you could use to do so "transparently" could be used by any hostile network to do so.

You can still intercept traffic from cooperating devices if you want, just not transparently. That's a feature, not a bug, and the Internet will be better for it.

Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by Legogris on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @12:38PM (#22415209)
Right, but I do think this is better handled at the OS layer. Hardcoding everyone to route through Cloudflare is a hardly a net win, and might be better or worse than your ISP depending on who and where you are.
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by bepvte on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:57AM (#22412773)
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/canary-domain-use-appli..., also if you can block it this easily so can the government. The difference with a canary domain is that mozilla can disable it if its misused.
Re:Mozilla’s DNS over HTTPs by vetinari on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @10:42AM (#22414021)
1) other applications or malware won't respect canary domain

2) to implement this canary, you have to break DNSSEC on entire .net root domain. Great.