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Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by 4cao on Monday February 24, 2020 @03:35PM (#22408158)
This endeavor looks largely orthogonal to what the objectives of an online encyclopedia should be. Creating as many stub articles as possible and filling them with "formulaic, generic, and reusable templated sentences with spots for specific information" seems more like a recipe for an automated content farm than for "disseminating the sum of human knowledge."

It would be most interesting to know what the 148 active Cebuano Wikipedia users think of the 5,331,028 articles the bot created, ostensibly for them. Too bad nobody apparently cared to ask.

In particular, since Cebuano speakers are likely to be fluent in Tagalog and/or English as well, they can easily use one of the other Wikipedia editions too. Without the hyperactive bot, the much smaller Cebuano Wikipedia would arguably be more relevant, reflecting topics truly of interest to the community.

While the number of articles is a convenient way of comparing Wikipedia language editions, it only works as such to the extent that the articles are kept to a certain standard. It seems to me that what we are observing here is yet another example of the situation that when a measure becomes a target it ceases to be a good measure.

Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by rcthompson on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:20PM (#22410889)
The counterpoint is that automatically-created stub articles serve to encourage community editing. It's much easier to edit an existing article than create a new one from scratch. This is one of the key principles behind the Gene Wiki project[1], which creates stub articles for human genes for this reason:

> Basic articles (called “stubs”) were systematically created based on content extracted from structured databases. These stubs are then edited by the broader Wikipedia community, while “bots” keep the structured content in sync with the source databases.

(The "structured content" mentioned is the info box on the right-hand side of a gene article. Nowadays I believe this is populated directly from Wikidata[2].)

Note: I am a member of the lab that runs Gene Wiki, but my work is unrelated.

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[1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5944608/

[2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26989148

Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by _-___________-_ on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:46PM (#22410974)
This seems fine as long as the articles are clearly marked as machine-generated. Machine translation regularly garbles the meaning of text, while producing readable text that has correct sentence structure etc. This is a major problem in an encyclopedia.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by yorwba on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @03:11AM (#22411610)
The subtitle of the article makes it sound like the text in question is machine-translated, but it is created by filling a template with structured data. So long as the template is correct and the data source is accurate, the meaning won't be garbled.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by _-___________-_ on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @03:29AM (#22411666)
I can't really see how the number of translated articles could be as huge as it is using only that approach.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by yorwba on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:57AM (#22412778)
Why not? I tried a random article and got one about a park: https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atokad_Park Note that there's no English article about that park that could have served as the source for a machine translation. The article mostly lists a bunch of facts about the location that are easily available in public databases. I don't know how many entries GeoNames.org has, but this park has the number 5063315, so there should be material for quite a lot of articles.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by rcthompson on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @07:49AM (#22412713)
I guess it depends on how much information is in Wikidata, assuming that's the data source.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by tomrod on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:35PM (#22409878)
I'm fluent in Visayan (Cebuano & Waray-Waray). The articles are hard to read, but no harder than, say, the translated Bible. I honestly didn't realize they were bot-constructed. very cool!
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by _-___________-_ on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:17PM (#22410871)
How often are they inaccurate though? I worked for a content-heavy startup that thought it was a good idea to machine-translate all our content. A brief skim through the translations easily found many instances where the meaning of sentences was entirely reversed.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by tomrod on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @01:01PM (#22415446)
The articles I have read have generally been history / geography. They tend to be okay.

Can't speak to tech / science / art in the Visayan space.

Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by skywhopper on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:27PM (#22409835)
Indeed, I found myself very curious about why the bot of "Swedish physicist Sverker Johansson" was writing articles in Cebuano (a language mainly spoken in the southern Philipines). It turns out that Cebuano is his wife's native language.

I'm curious about the actual quality of these articles. The OP says "the majority [of a random 1000] were surprisingly well constructed", but it's not clear what that even means. Does the author of the article know Cebuano (or Swedish or Waray-Waray, which are other languages this bot writes in) well enough to judge? Or does it just mean the articles looked like regular articles (ie they have all the infoboxes and other trappings of human-editor-driven articles)?

Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by _-___________-_ on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:18PM (#22410878)
"Well constructed" sounds like a measure that a content farm would use. The measure for an encyclopedia should be "accurate", and based on the number of times I've seen machine translation completely garble meaning (while maintaining correct structure), I doubt these articles would score highly on that measure.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by yorwba on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:16PM (#22409777)
Many Wikipedia articles start out as just a few sentences and then slowly accumulate content. To give an example I noticed recently, compare https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pu-Xian_Min&oldid... in 2007 vs. now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu-Xian_Min

Having some basic information already present means that potential editors won't have to start from an empty page, making it easier to see where content can be added.

Of course if what you're interested in is actually how much humans contribute to Wikipedia in a given language, you'll need to ignore bot activity, but that doesn't make it useless.

Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by metalliqaz on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:11PM (#22409747)
There are many viewpoints. As a counter example, consider the article for one of the topics you mention ("truly of interest to the community"). A user could come across a concept (or person, place, etc.) that they aren't familiar with, click a link, find a short and formulaic but truthful summary, then return to continue reading - all within their own wikipedia. That's useful.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by _-___________-_ on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:19PM (#22410885)
How can you ensure that it's truthful? Machine translation garbles meaning all the time.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by metalliqaz on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @08:29AM (#22412994)
The bot in question essentially takes a good external database of facts, and populates a stub article with a fill-in-the-blank method. It's not that complicated.
Re:The second largest version of Wikipedia is written mostly... by redis_mlc on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @11:21PM (#22420244)
> since Cebuano speakers are likely to be fluent in Tagalog and/or English as well

Likely, but not always. I've encountered areas, for example Bohol, in that region where only the local language was well-understood.

And "Taglish" is about as understandable as Japlish - lots of similarities to English, but what does it mean?

Same in Indonesia. Outside of the main cities on Sumatra, especially with older people, only the local language is used daily.