Re:“We found PayPal vulnerabilities and PayPal punished us f...
by SpicyLemonZest on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:53PM
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As far as I can tell, "it's impossible to use stolen credentials" is not part of Paypal's security model or a promise that Paypal has actually made. It's important to distinguish flaws in a company's security model from additional security controls we think they ought to add.
Re:“We found PayPal vulnerabilities and PayPal punished us f...
by Dylan16807 on Monday February 24, 2020 @02:17PM
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But why does that system exist at all, if it's not supposed to do something?
It's not "impossible to use stolen credentials", it's "you have to clear this barrier to use stolen credentials". If that barrier is broken, that sounds like a flaw in the security model.
Re:“We found PayPal vulnerabilities and PayPal punished us f...
by SpicyLemonZest on Monday February 24, 2020 @02:44PM
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It's analogous to the systems that make your password show up as dots when you type it in. The security model isn't affected at all - dedicated attackers can "break the barrier" by just looking at your keyboard instead - but it significantly mitigates harm by making certain low-effort attacks harder to perform.
Re:“We found PayPal vulnerabilities and PayPal punished us f...
by Dylan16807 on Monday February 24, 2020 @05:25PM
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A not-for-sure harm mitigation as part of defense in depth is a great thing to put in a security model.
But with the flaw here, the effectiveness drops to zero. The "making certain attacks harder to perform" is basically gone in the scenario where someone is buying a bunch of credentials. That's not good!
No. The attacker is the man in the middle to himself, because why are you trusting the client.
> A "security" flaw that requires stolen creds and brute forcing isn't going to get much traction anywhere.
The feature is meant to stop people from using stolen creds.
It does not work.
Given that stolen creds exist, that sounds like a security flaw to me.