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Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by Udik on Sunday February 23, 2020 @05:32AM (#22396170)
I wonder if anybody is actually a flat earther. It almost seems a myth kept alive by the sheer absurdity of it.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by pixelpoet on Sunday February 23, 2020 @05:48AM (#22396215)
You should check out the facebook groups, they are quite real and it's fascinating to observe. They basically never use any privacy settings so you can check out their personal pages and see them vehemently arguing with family and friends claiming all kinds of conspiracy stuff (Venn diagram overlapping with chemtrails and Illuminati blah blah). At the far end of that insanity you have groups like https://reddit.com/r/LEVELMANIA/

I've seen one guy argue that the sun is created and operated by NASA, and then there are the people who insist you can live from staring at the sun. Even a (quite nutty) friend of a friend claims to do this, someone I've personally spoken to and must unfortunately confirm is that dumb. He has 3 kids and is highly political, votes every time.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by Igelau on Sunday February 23, 2020 @08:16AM (#22396702)
> I've seen one guy argue that the sun is created and operated by NASA

It's obviously the NOAA. They even tell you when they're going to be turning it on and off - it's like they're not even trying to hide it.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by lilSebastian on Sunday February 23, 2020 @10:30AM (#22397247)
> You should check out the facebook groups

In addition, search for flat earth on a the popular crowd/fundraising sites. The lies they tell to separate the gullible from their money. It's a nice little earner.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by heavenlyblue on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:28AM (#22396349)
Nassim Haramein the FB group claims to have discovered a new physics theory and is followed by a bunch of newagers in London.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by DonHopkins on Sunday February 23, 2020 @12:10PM (#22398000)
Newage rhymes with sewage.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by perl4ever on Sunday February 23, 2020 @09:04AM (#22396856)
On the apparent existence of the moon:

"...think about it – without the help of so-called "experts", how do you really know what you’re looking at? It could be a hologram, projected from various government installations throughout the world. It could be a large, crudely painted balloon, held in place by helium and propelled by tiny sails and rudders (which is why it moves across the sky so slowly). Or, most likely, it could have been different things at different times and different places, depending on the technology available to the conspirators and the culture and beliefs of the population being deceived.

The hoax could easily have been imposed on a gullible world at many points in human history. Perhaps it began as a collective hallucination or a religious myth, or perhaps an especially bright star that came to be exaggerated over time. However the moon story started, early proponents of the hoax were swift to recognize how it could be exploited for their benefit, and shrewdly devised a scheme to use it to their advantage.

They began to spread rumors, falsify scientific observations, and invent new gods to represent this fictional celestial body. They ingeniously concocted the idea of "cycles of the moon", and as their resources increased, were able to create the illusion that this object in the sky actually went through such changes. To make their hoax more plausible to early, superstitious societies, they arranged for these cycles to coincide with the months of the year.

But don’t all qualified scientists and astronomers agree that there is a moon? Indeed, but shouldn’t one be suspicious of such unanimity, when universities are supposed to be forums for open debate of controversial issues. Even a layperson like myself knows that scientists are not supposed to approach issues with preconceived notions. Yet this principle is cast aside when the moon is at stake. You will never see the revisionist perspective on the moon being taught in institutions of higher learning, even as a controversial opposing view. In fact, in order to even become a recognized scientist in the current atmosphere of academic repression, one must pay lip service to the establishment’s orthodoxy. Could you imagine a student who argued the revisionist viewpoint on the question of the moon being awarded a degree? He would be hounded out of the university in an instant! How can one explain such behavior from institutions that are supposed to serve as forums for the free exchange of ideas, except to conclude that the establishment has something to hide?"

https://phdn.org/archives/revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisi...

https://phdn.org/archives/revisionism.nl/Moon/Feedback4.htm

https://phdn.org/archives/revisionism.nl/Moon/Moon3.htm

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by Udik on Sunday February 23, 2020 @11:59AM (#22397923)
This seems to be just a parody of revisionist arguments and conspiracy theories.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by perl4ever on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:25PM (#22439468)
It looks like it, but how do you really know?
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by crispyambulance on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:42AM (#22396394)
>I wonder if anybody is actually a flat Earther.

I suspect they're an extreme form of "contrarian" that craves disagreeing with conventional beliefs to the point where it becomes part of their self-image/identity. Like other conspiracy theorists, they're obsessed with intricate rhetoric and arguments, but they rarely take the extra step of trying to prove something without obfuscation and without ulterior motivations.

This guy strapped himself onto a homemade rocket and lit a fuse. There are easier ways to prove/disprove the Earth is flat-- even if you don't buy the shadow-measurment and clock experiments. One could, for example, mount an expedition of to reach the edge of the Earth and take pictures. But that hasn't happened, ever. Or perhaps it did happen, and the effect was merely to quietly convert the very chagrined expedition team members from flat-earthers into round-earthers?

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by hutzlibu on Sunday February 23, 2020 @09:56AM (#22397079)
Or you know, you could just send a camera. On a weather baloon. So yeah, this guy just wanted funds for his rocket. Which sadly did not work out.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by lilSebastian on Sunday February 23, 2020 @10:31AM (#22397261)
He demonstrably got funds for a 'rocket' of sorts....
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by squarefoot on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:15AM (#22396310)
"It almost seems a myth kept alive by the sheer absurdity of it."

For some, possibly. As for the others, they would probably be a 99.9% / 0.1% ratio composed by actual believers and few smart con artists who saw the opportunity to cash on books, merchandise, donations, and perhaps even votes.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by usrusr on Sunday February 23, 2020 @07:21AM (#22396512)
You are missing a very large block of people who pretend to believe but not for money. Their rewards are feeling superior to both those who believe and to those who don't but fall for their show. Classic trolling. It gets scary where the line between trolling and believing blurs. Some will inevitably convert themselves, slowly forgetting their initial motivation while exposing themselves to all kinds of related conspiracy content while in their flat earther persona.
Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by gridlockd on Sunday February 23, 2020 @10:18AM (#22397182)
These are generally people that suffer from paranoid delusions.

If it wasn't flat earth, it would be some other conspiracy theory, but a lot of the time it's simply all the conspiracy they can fit in their head.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by hutzlibu on Sunday February 23, 2020 @09:55AM (#22397071)
The first time I stumbled on the flat earth societys website I really, really could not tell. They even had complicated looking physical models of how gravity etc. works on a flat earth etc. My conclusion was, that most did just trolling. But now after I met some real flat earthers .. I am not so sure anymore. They were also not plain stupid. Just far out and very ignorant. So they build a lot of complex logic on a false axiom.

They reminded me a lot of the classical "science" of bible theology. Where you take something ridiculus word for word - and then build a a complex stringent and logical philosophy above it. (with marxism I had similar experiences)

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by paulryanrogers on Sunday February 23, 2020 @10:09AM (#22397137)
With religion the indoctrination begins very young. Fewer and fewer people believe as they become better educated or even just practice basic critical thinking.

I'm afraid the religious mindset creates a switch that turns off critical thinking for certain topics. Then people can be more vulnerable to all kinds of hoaxes and scams.

Re:Daredevil “Mad Mike” Hughes killed in rocket crash outsid... by anonsivalley652 on Sunday February 23, 2020 @10:23AM (#22397216)
Tribalism almost always subverts logic.