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Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:07PM (#22393022)
This story probably represents the single greatest failure of Lambda School ever. There are times when the whole story isn’t being told, but this isn’t one of them, Nicole is right. I’ve spent a lot of time talking with Nicole and her cohort, have cancelled her ISA, and we are working on a full retrospective for her cohort (UX6).

It started with misaligned expectations. We worked with a lot of hiring partners to create a UX curriculum that would be easiest to jump into a first UX career from, and it was clear in doing that research that a research-first perspective with less emphasis on design is what would get students hired faster in a field that can be notoriously difficult to break into (relative to software engineering). We hired experts in that aspect of UX design, which can be terribly broad.

Partway through the data started to show that half of the class was pretty happy and about half was not. Usually it’s not split like that - there’s always an outlier student or two but not half totally happy and half frustrated, so we started to dig in.

Two things happened:

1. We realized half of the students were expecting a design-heavy experience, and we hadn’t communicated well enough what to expect. There were pieces on design, but you wouldn’t come out of this curriculum as a UI designer, and students were expecting that.

2. We decided to try and help those students who wanted the UI emphasis, hired more folks, and started creating curriculum in a pretty rushed manner to help them reach their goals. In retrospect that was a huge mistake; there simply wasn’t enough time to build a full design-heavy curriculum in flight, and the students who wanted design-heavy curriculum were very disappointed.

That cohort was (rightly) frustrated because we tried to do too much too late. I recognized that was a risk going into those curriculum changes, but took on the risk because the most important thing is making students successful and happy. In retrospect it was the wrong call.

I wish like hell that I could go back and make everything perfect for that cohort of students; there are about 20 of them and I’ve spent time one on one with every one. We brought in more people to work with them one on one and that curriculum is much better now, but understandably 5 or 6 students in that cohort had lost their faith in our ability to deliver and opted to leave the program. Of course, we cancelled their ISAs; we lost a ton of money training these students and they don’t owe us anything, but that’s the right thing to do. We promise an awesome experience and in this instance didn’t deliver. We tried to do too much in too short a timeframe and missed the mark.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by sandofsky on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:55PM (#22393268)
> Of course, we cancelled their ISAs; we lost a ton of money training these students and they don’t owe us anything, but that’s the right thing to do.

This was not a magnanimous gesture. You fought with the students for months, when it was clear things weren't working. It wasn't until the story blew up in the media that you agreed to cancel the ISAs.

And then to be released from their ISAs, you demanded students sign a contract agreeing not to sue Lambda School.

https://twitter.com/tylernishida/status/1230969940733095937

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by sokoloff on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:30PM (#22393460)
I don't have any connection to either side, but I have to say that it seems reasonably fair to me to tie the release of the ISA to a covenant not to sue. (It's like if a car maker buys back my lemon car, I don't expect that I also get to sue them because my car was a lemon.)
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by prostheticvamp on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:28PM (#22394050)
If you traded in your old car, and paid for a lemon, their buying back the lemon is fine - but you probably want your old car, too.

The ISA is only one part of what they “paid” to attend. The other thing is months of opportunity cost, loans, etc. An ISA release does not make one whole with regard to those other losses.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by nicesnowoman on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:36PM (#22393499)
It's absolutely shady. Lambda doesn't want students/customers to sue because they know they have committed fraud, and would lose in the courts.

Austen's lying again. Students fought hard to get the ISAs cancelled. They should have been working towards learning and job searching instead, not fighting a pathological liar and terrible organization.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by thesausageking on Saturday February 22, 2020 @07:03PM (#22394180)
The students had a reasonable fraud claim here which would've given them treble damages if they won.

My guess is after pressuring students to go away, Lambda School (or its lawyers) realized this and agreed to settle rather than fight it in court and risk having to pay 3x as much in addition to their legal costs.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by sandofsky on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:42PM (#22393527)
One issue is presenting this as "the right thing to do." At minimum, there's a quid pro quo.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by hysan on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:27PM (#22394690)
> we lost a ton of money training these students and they don’t owe us anything, but that’s the right thing to do.

I’ve heard similar statements many times from bootcamps and it’s never sat well with me. It’s one of the major contributing factors that drove me away from working at a bootcamp.

While nothing is wrong about stating this, I’ve always thought student first. When a bootcamp fails its student(s) in this manner, money is lost. That is nothing relative to what the student loses - time, money, effort, and relationships. If there’s one common thread I’ve seen from the students I’ve taught, it’s that they all sacrifice a lot to try and change their lives.

What hurts the most when the system fails these students is that sometimes, they can’t just go back to what they were doing before. That’s why messaging around expectations [from both sides] needs to be crystal clear. This attention to detail is paramount in a bootcamp, but it often meets opposition with the business model and/or the “move fast and break things” mindset of a startup delivering a product [curriculum].

That I’m still reading stuff like this so many years after bootcamps have become established makes me lose faith that things will really change for the better.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by kingbirdy on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:19PM (#22393090)
Hi Austen, thanks for replying to this. But could you explain how attempting to change curriculum mid-flight would lead to:

* being graded by a student 2 months ahead

* being taught by someone hiding under a sheet

* being paired with a student who hadn't been participating in the curriculum

It seems like there was more going wrong for this student than just a curriculum change.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:41PM (#22393201)
* being graded by a student 2 months ahead

There’s also an instructor in every cohort, so your TA (we call them TLs) is more of a first line of defense. We brought in the strongest design students to be TAs which is why they weren’t very much further in the curriculum - in fact they actually had a different curriculum. An exception to the rule caused by curriculum change.

*being taught by someone under a sheet

We brought in contractors to help teach the new curriculum, and one hadn’t adjusted the light in his room for video conferencing and couldn’t see the screen for sunlight, so... improvised. Normally there are weeks of practice lessons and training, so this also the result of a rush.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by jfarmer on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:11PM (#22393350)
Is there no onboarding for contract instructors that guide them through setting up their environment for effective online teaching? Someone who has taught remotely would be very aware of how hard it is to get sound and light right. They'd have a pre-flight checklist and spend 10-15 minutes beforehand ensuring everything looked and sounded ok.

Someone who hasn't needs to be trained because it's not like a physical classroom at all.

And of course, teachers need to improvise every day, but if they're not used to doing it then they need coaching on that, too.

For example, whenever I teach remotely, I mail a good pair of wired, directional-mic headphones to every student. I also send them PDFs outlining how to position the light in their room.

I do that because they are unfamiliar with the subtleties of remote interaction and it's going to ruin everyone's experience if students have barriers to participation and feedback.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:15PM (#22393370)
There usually is if we’re not scrambling to do too much too late. Again, was a huge miss.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by gerardwil on Saturday February 22, 2020 @11:15PM (#22395108)
> We brought in contractors to help teach the new curriculum, and one hadn’t adjusted the light in his room for video conferencing and couldn’t see the screen for sunlight, so... improvised. Normally there are weeks of practice lessons and training, so this also the result of a rush.

Huh? The guy under the sheet was Christijan Draper, the UX program manager who's been with Lambda School since May 2018. Why are you lying?

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Sunday February 23, 2020 @01:35AM (#22395484)
Wait, what? That's not what I heard. I'll ask the team and look it up, but I was almost sure it was a contract instructor.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by jfarmer on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:50PM (#22393234)
If the plan was to launch a research-centric UX course and to have them collaborate with the web cohort at the end, who was going to be responsible for actually implementing the research that the UX students undertook once they began collaborating?

Anyone who has worked in the industry knows that most software projects fail for human reasons, not technical ones.

Like, who was going to be opening up Photoshop or In Design or Figma or whatever? Who was going to be slicing designs into HTML/CSS? Who was going to be implementing interactive prototypes and putting them in front of users? Who was responsible for ensuring that communication between the UX side and the technical side was happening effectively?

Who were the product and project managers (in title or de facto) and were they clear that this was their job?

In your interview with Vincent Woo, you said that "reviews were fine" for the UX cohort and then they suddenly fell off the cliff once labs began. This story more or less explains why: the students were strung along (intentionally or not) with the promise that it was labs that matters.

Once in labs, they find out: https://twitter.com/watsonwaswrite/status/123090468067232154...

If that was the promise, why wouldn't LS move heaven and Earth to make sure that labs was a home run? Why wouldn't LS ensure every student in the group project was crystal clear on expectations? Why wouldn't LS do a dry run version of the capstone project across cohorts to control for unanticipated group dynamics? Ensure that everyone in the web and UX cohorts has worked with at least 5-10 different people cross-functionally before capstone time?

And fine, maybe you "call an audible" — lord knows we had to do that at DBC. But why then wouldn't you then bring in 5-10 experienced project managers to facilitate things, communicate everything to everyone, and explain that this is what needs to happen to make the capstone a success for everyone?

Shouldn't asking and answering these questions before admitting a single student be table stakes?

The whole project seems half-baked from start to finish and this outcome 100% predictable.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by nicesnowoman on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:34PM (#22393479)
I'm a student - "reviews are fine" because students are also scared of being truthful to staff. The staff do not have a good history of listening to negative feedback and criticism. They are either ignorant or delusional.

Look at Dustin Myers and how he responds to criticism: https://twitter.com/dustint314/status/1156423191645917184

Look at Trevor McKendrick (Chief of Staff) and how he responds to criticism: https://twitter.com/TrevMcKendrick/status/108285421890879488...

Look at all of Austen's interactions on Twitter to students and how he gaslights them: https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1213711252175740928

Look at Ben Nelson (cofounder) and see how he only interacts with positive testimonials and discount negative ones: https://twitter.com/sunjieming/likes

Look at Ryan Holdaway and see how he only interacts with positive testimonials and discounts negative ones: https://twitter.com/Ryan_Holdaway/likes

Look at Ryan Hamblin - same thing: https://twitter.com/RyanleeHamblin/likes

There's a clear pattern here. These are key people in staff who should be listening and responding with empathy to the horrifying student stories throughout Lambda. All negative dissent is squashed by dividing and siloing students. They are made to think their issues with the "school" are due to some personal deficiency.

It is no wonder that negative student accounts rarely get amplified or even created. I was personally scared to write negative reviews for fear of being admonished by their "Student Success" team. There's been rumors circling of students removed from Slack after they complained about the quality of education. Leadership and key members of staff are all complicit.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by SamReidHughes on Saturday February 22, 2020 @05:38PM (#22393828)
Your links completely fail to cast any of their targets in a negative light.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by wpietri on Sunday February 23, 2020 @05:53AM (#22396236)
If you can't see something, that doesn't mean it isn't there. It just means you don't see it.

What I see is definitely not behavior I'd want in instructors.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by thatdrew on Monday February 24, 2020 @02:46PM (#22407657)
wrong.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by ec109685 on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:44PM (#22394112)
Lost a ton of money? Lambda is profitable if 1/4 get a job [1], so 6 * 30k * 1/4 is $45k.

[1] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/02/lambda-schools-j...

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:45PM (#22394552)
That’s not true. I have no idea where they got that but we’d absolutely lose money if only 1 in 4 got jobs. A lot of it.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by ec109685 on Monday February 24, 2020 @01:10AM (#22402038)
They say “internal documents”.
Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by nicesnowoman on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:27PM (#22393447)
Dude stop lying. Also, other UX students with similar shitty experiences as that cohort have been trying to get their ISAs cancelled, and are getting the runaround. Come on.

Did you not read the scathing letter? If you want to address these issues - why don't you publicly post the letter and address every single damning issue highlighted if you are so confident? There were things outlined outside of just "bad instruction" and "misaligned expectations". Do better.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by danso on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:09PM (#22393961)
Given that Lambda has stumbled on branching out to UI/UX, has that given cause for you to slow down plans to expand into nursing and cybersecurity [0]? Don't get me wrong, I think succeeding in teaching code is an achievement in itself. But seems like curriculums for nursing and cybersecurity are much more orthogonal/outside-your-wheelhouse than front-end dev/design.

[0] https://www.edsurge.com/news/2019-01-08-online-coding-school...

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by austenallred on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:46PM (#22394553)
We currently aren’t working on cybersecurity or nursing. We have about half of a cybersecurity curriculum built but that’s paused, and nursing is always the thing I’m excited to do next but we haven’t done anything there.
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Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by zaroth on Saturday February 22, 2020 @11:20PM (#22395128)
Honestly, as someone totally on the outside who is somewhat curious about LS and what they might be doing right or wrong, I think your pervasive and demeaning/mocking responses do a better job of negating your points than substantiating them.

I can see you’re obviously beyond frustrated and angry. I think it’s helpful to a point to “air dirty laundry” but when it appears to be someone out for retribution it really ceases to become appropriate for HN.

Re:Twitter Thread: Experience at Lambda School for UX by chestercat on Sunday February 23, 2020 @02:43PM (#22399043)
As someone who has been observing the Lambda School news on Twitter for the better part of a year, I just want to state that this student has every right to be angry and frustrated. It might not be appropriate in tone to someone on the outside, but for anyone who has been watching closely, it's clear that Lambda is acted unfettered and knowingly exploiting students.

Not only that, but they are apparently pushing students to join their coding programs prior to completion of prework/entrance tests: https://twitter.com/CHERdotdev/status/1231661150619652096

For-profit education like bootcamps deserve to be scrutinized and regulated. There are real consequences to poor educational outcomes.