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Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by npongratz on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:33AM (#22391215)
All value is subjective.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by MR4D on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:46PM (#22394557)
I disagree.

Let’s say I buy something from you and I pay you $7 for it. Then, I sell it for $10.

In this case, my cost $7, my revenue is $10, and the value I got from your item is $3.

It’s not always this clear cut, but sometimes it is.

Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by wodenokoto on Sunday February 23, 2020 @02:30AM (#22395623)
No, the value of 3 dollars varies from person to person.

For Bill Gates, 3 dollars is near worthless.

For a poor, 3rd world country citizen living on less than a dollar a day, 3 dollars is very valuable.

Secondly, from your point of view it might be that 3 is 3. But if we look at the entire economy, things get extremely muddy. Maybe those ten dollars that the transaction is based on come from a loan based on a quantifier. So the bank lend out 10 dollars based on a 1 dollar holding. Now the money supply has increased, which all things equal will lower the value of each dollar.

But all things are not equal. The economy is growing and if it is growing faster than the money supply is growing then the value of the dollar is still growing.

The value of those 3 dollar profit is

3/[size of money supply] x [value of economy]

And valuating the economy is extremely difficult. To the point where you could call it subjective.

Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by amatic on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:10PM (#22393964)
Agreed. Have you seen any models or simulations of economies with subjective value? All I see are some 'objective' measures.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by wodenokoto on Sunday February 23, 2020 @02:32AM (#22395627)
Behavioral economics is basically the study of economy with values assumed to be subjective.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by garmaine on Saturday February 22, 2020 @01:19PM (#22392411)
But there are objective measures of value, such as the price you paid in a transaction.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by amatic on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:13PM (#22393983)
The price you paid says you value the thing you got more than the money you gave in exchange. At the same time, the person who received the money values it more than the thing he sold. That is what makes economic transactions positive sum games, according to some theories.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by philwelch on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:18PM (#22393389)
I would call market prices more “consensus” than “objective”, since they’re based on the aggregate subjective valuations of those involved in the market.
Re:Peter Norvig's Economic Simulation (2018) by garmaine on Sunday February 23, 2020 @12:53AM (#22395381)
You can objectively point to them. The prices are visible for all to see.