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Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by cpach on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:45PM (#22369267)
“the work they produce is good enough in our society”

Gah. I wish I could rebut this but I’m not sure I can. How does one find work for a tech/IT company that actually embrace quality?

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by mrguyorama on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:00PM (#22369441)
This isn't an IT thing. The vast majority of people are average. Anyone who thinks they do better than the rest is likely wrong. It requires insane levels of bureaucratic power and will to truly force anything better than average.

Every single business is full of people who are adequate. From the line staff all the way up to managers. Cynical people call it the peter principle, but it might just be that an average manager is only averagely good at judging who is good at their job and therefore average people are just as likely to get promoted.

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by whatsmyusername on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:37PM (#22369788)
> This isn't an IT thing. The vast majority of people are average. Anyone who thinks they do better than the rest is likely wrong. It requires insane levels of bureaucratic power and will to truly force anything better than average.

Or work in a smaller company.

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by mrguyorama on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @04:26PM (#22370264)
Why do you think smaller companies aren't also full of average people?
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by octodog on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @07:04PM (#22371520)
The point is that smaller companies are less full of _people_. Less bureaucracy, less institutional inertia and more relative influence of each individual.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by whatsmyusername on Thursday February 20, 2020 @07:48AM (#22374683)
Yeah, if someone’s not getting with the program it’s easier to walk across the building and talk to them than email across 3+ time zones and potentially a language barrier.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by Spooky23 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:16PM (#22369584)
It's not an IT thing.

Google was a superpower in 2001. I started working in Enterprise IT then and people thought that I had miraculous powers.

Today, it's a crutch and almost anywhere you look, people are searching for random stuff to throw on the wall to see what sticks.

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by g_langenderfer on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @04:19PM (#22370184)
seems like a decent approach. Care expounding?
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by olivierduval on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:19PM (#22370721)
It's action over reflexion, showing "fast results" over "good results"
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by kbenson on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @08:56PM (#22372116)
You can blame most of it on SEO. Minimally, it's about making sure what you've created is accurately represented. Maximally, it's about tricking people into thinking you're what they want when you aren't. The way that happens is through worse search results.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by olivierduval on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:17PM (#22370704)
It's enough to be obedient, not too curious, not having too much self-esteem, and be able to cope with doing crap work (and knowing it) because... well, management doesn't understand the interest of quality

(sorry, too cynical... but I'm in the field for more than 20 years)

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by vb6sp6 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:03PM (#22369457)
it doesn't exist

I suppose you could start your own company but then you will ultimately have to choose to ship and eat or perfect and starve

Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by cpach on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:07PM (#22369493)
Perfect is not a must, but good quality would be nice at least.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by vb6sp6 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @04:41PM (#22370386)
but "good quality" is subjective which is why it seems like finding a firm that focuses on "good quality" is so difficult
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by Vesuvium on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @04:48PM (#22370438)
Looks at Apple as it was a few years back
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by namibj on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:47PM (#22369286)
I'm curious, too. It's sad to be the only one even using proper commit messages.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by cpach on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:55PM (#22369379)
I hear ya :-/
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by ta999999171 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:23PM (#22369656)
What work are you interested in? Will email you if we match up.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by marmaduke on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:50PM (#22369313)
Good degree from good university?
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by cpach on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:55PM (#22369377)
Does that really help in that regard?
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by marmaduke on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:46PM (#22369880)
I didn't mean it seriously.. I have neither but embrace best practices at work.
Re:Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months by ta999999171 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:22PM (#22369648)
Opposite.