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Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by Gibbon1 on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:02PM (#22350232)
This brings up an unsatisfying conversation I had with an ex google person. I've worked in the embedded/industrial side of tech for most of my career. And the ratio of customer support vs the amount of money google is charging is utterly shit from my perspective. My friend tried to explain why it needs to be shit for vague security reasons but I'm unconvinced. Company collects thousands of dollars from customers and can't be bothered to give them a phone call when something goes sideways? Give me a break.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by hnick on Monday February 17, 2020 @08:01PM (#22352507)
You get better support if your $15 hamburger meal is missing cheese. It's weird that companies that operate at scale get a free pass to ignore smaller customers just because they have bigger ones.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by refurb on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:07PM (#22352827)
You get better support if your $15 hamburger meal is missing cheese.

That's a great way of putting it and 100% accurate. Fast food joints set a minimal customer service level magnitudes better than Google.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by moksly on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:11AM (#22354098)
They don’t really get a free pass though, maybe in their monopoly market of advertisement, but their poor support is one of the primary reasons google cloud isn’t earning any of the European public cloud money while Azure and AWS are having a party.

Google has a lot of really good tools, that they could sell to enterprise. You could argue that they have the only viable Office365 alternative for non-tech enterprise. But they just don’t seem to know how to sell it because their advertising monopoly infects everything they do.

The single place they’ve been successful is in education, and even there they are struggling to keep supplying what schools actually want + privacy. So I fully expect to see them driven out of this space in the coming decade.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by Nasrudith on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @09:05AM (#22356117)
The reason lack of support works at scale is that they are successful with resources channeled places other than direct support so their strategy doesn't need it.

It is sort of a "cars don't handle rugged terrain as well as horses" thing, it isn't crippling when the use case is paved roads. It may suck for your use case but it makes sense.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by spc476 on Monday February 17, 2020 @06:26PM (#22351915)
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Google employees don't give out reasons for their decisions because they can't! They trust too much in their machine learning and there's no way for employees to know why this event triggered over that one.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by fragmede on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:26PM (#22353202)
If your ml model is a magic black box and there's zero visibility into the system, even internally, as to the signals that resulted in a decision, you've hired a monkey that can run a tensorflow tutorial, not actually someone that understands machine learning.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by qeqeqeqe on Monday February 17, 2020 @07:08PM (#22352211)
Or (more likely) because they are not allowed to by policy.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by londons_explore on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:26PM (#22353201)
Or because the machine won't tell them why because privacy. (Although this applies less in the ad side of the business than consumer facing bits)
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by franczesko on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:37PM (#22350486)
Google support is non-existent. One of the reasons, why I stay away from Google Cloud.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by 6nf on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:56PM (#22350672)
The other reason of course being that any given Google product may not even exist a couple of years from now
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by pier25 on Monday February 17, 2020 @04:23PM (#22350916)
I don't know about Google Cloud as a whole but I've contacted Firebase support a number of times and they have always answered promptly.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by Jernik on Monday February 17, 2020 @04:46PM (#22351127)
This may be the difference between an acquisition vs a homegrown product at Google
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by avip on Monday February 17, 2020 @04:28PM (#22350962)
I'm a paying customer of firebase & google maps and both helped me promptly on technical issues.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by pg_is_a_butt on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:54PM (#22350644)
Not true... you just have to pay for it. I worked for A fortune 100 company that was moving some things to Google App Engine, and paid for the highest level of support. We had a list of guys we could get on the phone whenever we needed, including the main guy in charge of everything.

I helped them fix a lot of bugs and broken processes, but I'm better than most at making reports. If they had to deal with bad developers blaming Google for problems that had nothing to do with Google, that would waste a lot of time. But on the other hand, if we didn't pay for support, those problems probably never would have been fixed, and I don't think we were ever compensated or given discount support for helping.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by busterarm on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:27PM (#22351498)
We pay for the highest level of support on Google Cloud and it isn't worth shit. I'd say it actually provides negative usefulness, as usually their support folks just waste our time and not do anything.

The only place I've gotten actual support from Google was with Ads and my company at the time was spending 9 figures.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by busterarm on Monday February 17, 2020 @07:54PM (#22352461)
To the rude as hell tone of the reply beneath this: The GKE control plane failed. There's no quality improvement that I could have made on a bug report about their shit being broken.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by TheSpiceIsLife on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:26PM (#22351485)
> Google support is non-existent.

> Not true... you just have to pay for it. I worked for A fortune 100 company

It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that there only about 100 companies who can afford Fortune 100-ish level support..............................................

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by jschwartzi on Monday February 17, 2020 @04:25PM (#22350929)
I don't see "Fortune 100-level support" listed on Google's website. How do I purchase it?
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by jdlshore on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:17PM (#22351406)
Presumably, by spending enough money to get an account manager, then asking them to sell you a support contract.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by pg_is_a_butt on Monday February 17, 2020 @07:52PM (#22352454)
Account manager and support contract are sold together... $150,000/yr paid up front + 4% of yearly spend.

Seems insanely high, especially compared to the next step down which is only $250/mo per user... you could get by with a separate account with a single master user that controlled all the deployments and billing and only pay $3,000/yr. What you get for that extra $147,000+/year is that you talk directly with the lowest level engineer actually working on the problem rather than relaying messages that lose context... but you'll still need to know what you're talking about and be able to actually help the engineer rather than spin them in circles, or you'll be kept at bay.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by drivebycomment on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:27PM (#22351490)
https://cloud.google.com/support says the highest plan promises 15-min response and a dedicated account manager.

For consumers, https://one.google.com/about/support is the way to pay for the support, since they claim "Cross-Google" support. I haven't used Google One support (even though I am a member as I have a subscription to their storage plan), so I don't know how good it is though, and it's not super clear how "cross" it really is. https://one.google.com/support says 2-3 min response for phone/chat though.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by busterarm on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:29PM (#22351515)
Last time I filed one of those P1 tickets, it was assigned to someone immediately but we didn't get any useful help from the support people for 7 hours.

It took multiple escalations to people responsible for the specific service and the issue was entirely Google's service having an error. Meanwhile production was hard-down that whole time.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by jschwartzi on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:08PM (#22352831)
What happens to my Google One plan if my account is banned for a TOS violation?
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by drivebycomment on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:15PM (#22353405)
I don't know - I'm just a Google user, and I haven't gotten my account banned. I presume it won't work ?
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by jschwartzi on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @10:37AM (#22356764)
So the reason I would want guaranteed human support from Google is in the event they mistakenly ban my account of 13 years. If it also bans me from the support product then it’s completely pointless.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by TheKarateKid on Thursday February 27, 2020 @09:45PM (#22440087)
I think many here are missing the real problem: Why should customers have to pay for support to fix problems on Google’s end?
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by crtlaltdel on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:10PM (#22351336)
yeah, in my exp in industrial you can get a applications engineer on thr phone and even an office visit if you pay enough
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by banku_brougham on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:13PM (#22353384)
Sounds kind of like monopolistic behavior or something