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Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by Mirioron on Monday February 17, 2020 @02:42PM (#22350072)
How come this type of thing isn't highly discouraged? As in, law enforcement or the justice system pressuring people into this should be a taboo with serious punishments. We have laws around entrapment, so how come this is okay?
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by tyingq on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:04PM (#22352804)
Cops are also allowed to lie in the US. Like "we have your fingerprints and DNA", even if it's not remotely true.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by tyingq on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:07PM (#22350274)
News programs perpetuate the idea that lie detectors work. Dateline, for example, will imply that refusing to take one is suspicious.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by P_I_Staker on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:10PM (#22361820)
Truth doesn't matter. If you "get the charges through", you're successful, with little to no penalty for failure, as a LEO or prosecutor. Innocence and guilt are irrelevant. Justice, fair punishment, and rehabilitation are also not relevant. Success is measured by man-years in prison (or arrests for law enforcement). Usually there's room to just blame someone else if you do face scrutiny. Honestly, I think this is a result of greater cultural issue in the US (maybe other countries too, I just can't speak for the culture).
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by gambiting on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:09PM (#22350291)
They get rewarded for successful convictions. And they always have the same defense - if those people aren't guilty, why are they confessing? Which is obviously stupid, if your choice is to serve 2 years now or risk getting 20 if the jury doesn't like you, then unfortunately the smart choice is to lie and take the 2 years. Jury system is also absolute nonsense and should be abolished.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by Ididntdothis on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:24PM (#22350404)
The jury system is fine. Excessive use of plea bargains is the problem.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by watwut on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:54PM (#22350650)
Jury system is very expensive. Including for defendant who is going to be bankrupt having to pay for defense.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by kelnos on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:01PM (#22351252)
The jury system has nothing to do with the costs defendants have to bear.
Re:Are courts keeping “junk science” out of the courtroom? by Ididntdothis on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:04PM (#22350257)
Because if everything went to trial the system would break down. I have read that 90% never go to trial instead there is some kind of plea bargain. If that practice got abolished the court system would need to grow a lot. It’s cheaper to throw innocent people into jail.