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Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by nordsieck on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:24PM (#22337724)
In hindsight, many failures seem ridiculous. But they're ridiculous in part because they failed.

You could have written basically the same thing about Starbucks if it had failed.

But it didn't.

It went on to become one of the great success stories of the modern era.

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by mumblemumble on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:41PM (#22337824)
I guess.

But, in this case, it sure seems, in hindsight, like it should have been predictable. My first thought when I heard about the company was, "How do they keep the toppings from flying all over the place if the truck hits a pothole or has to make as sudden stop or something, and the cheese hasn't softened enough to stick it in place? And how do they keep the cheese from sloshing all over the place after it melts?"

It would seem, based on what I'm reading now, that my error was assuming that they had thought of something clever and wondering what it was. Because the answers turn out to be (1) skimp on the toppings, and (2) you can't, it just plays out like a scene from Astérix chez les Helvètes† back there.

I can infer from this that I, a person who was just sitting on their armchair having a knee-jerk reaction, still managed to think more deeply about this business plan than any of the key figures or investors.

Starbucks, on the other hand, seems to have always had a basic grasp of how coffee behaves vis a vis Newton's First Law of Motion.

†(DDG image search seems to do a better job than Google at turning up the cheesiest panels.)

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by wolfgang42 on Saturday February 15, 2020 @09:19PM (#22339428)
> turning up the cheesiest panels

I didn’t expect such a literal interpretation: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/random-raves-xxvii-an...

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by bryanrasmussen on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:20PM (#22338062)
Google gets it if you add fondue.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by oldgradstudent on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:36PM (#22337793)
I would think the failure and the ridiculousness are not unrelated.

> You could have written basically the same thing about Starbucks if it had failed.

Not really. Starbucks started as a coffee shop, and started expanding when they became successful. There's a limit to how ridiculous that can be.

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by ansible on Saturday February 15, 2020 @06:27PM (#22338770)
Yes, the basic business model of a coffee shop worked. What Starbucks did was codify best practices, and worked on efficiency to scale-out.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by dcolkitt on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:28PM (#22337752)
I'm always reminded of how the founder of FedEx got a C+ on his project when he presented the idea for the company in his business school class.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by toomuchtodo on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:48PM (#22337877)
He also saved the company by betting the last of the company reserves at a casino when they were near insolvency during the early days.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by reitzensteinm on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:24PM (#22338089)
Someone claiming to be an early employee that wrote the first scheduling software showed up here a few years ago and said that story is BS, FWIW.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by toomuchtodo on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:55PM (#22338272)
/u/graycat, although I’m unable to find any reference that the story is inaccurate from a quick HN and Google search. If you find it, feel free to reply with a link to correct me.

Sidenote: epic thread

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9281466

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by reitzensteinm on Saturday February 15, 2020 @05:57PM (#22338616)
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by toomuchtodo on Saturday February 15, 2020 @06:12PM (#22338698)
Thank you! Now I just need to find it somewhere canonical besides HN so Wikipedia can reference it. Appreciate the myth busting!
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by reitzensteinm on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:32PM (#22343323)
I never would have got it without the name, so thank you too!
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by diego on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:07PM (#22337983)
You may want to check out the Starbucks timeline. They did not raise an astronomical amount of money right off the bat. Blue Bottle is a closer comparison. They also grew organically for many years before raising a serious round. There must be an example of a successful food chain that raised a ton of money in their first few years but I can't think of it off the top of my head.

https://www.starbucks.com/about-us/company-information/starb...

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by thom on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:35PM (#22337787)
If Alfred Peet had pitched the founders of Starbucks on a bunch of robot baristas in the back of vans who would deliver your coffee, but which spilled half of it before it got to you, it would have been right to pour scorn on them.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by Barrin92 on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:44PM (#22337844)
I don't see the comparison. Starbucks is a successful, 50 year old, company with a good brand and always had a sane strategy. Failure or success aren't random.

What the author is alluding too is the fact that putting a bunch of robots into a pizza store isn't going to turn you into a technology company worth hundreds of millions, that is absurd right from the beginning.

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by rhizome on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:45PM (#22337846)
What did Starbucks do that McDonalds hadn't been doing for decades already?
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by dboreham on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:26PM (#22338104)
Make drinkable coffee?

Starbucks success imho was due to their having a sufficiently well controlled process to make a consistently decent (if not excellent) cup of coffee in _all_ their stores. Their competitors are all over the place in both the time and location axes.

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by rhizome on Saturday February 15, 2020 @07:28PM (#22339024)
The question remains...
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by 908B64B197 on Saturday February 15, 2020 @05:31PM (#22338488)
They were the first to bring espresso and espresso drinks to a lot of locations. Plus their coffee, while not the greatest, is pretty standard across locations and is a "predictable" product.

That and the interior of the stores are typically more appealing than McDonalds.

Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by edoceo on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:57PM (#22337915)
$6 for a cup of mostly water.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by bryanrasmussen on Saturday February 15, 2020 @04:23PM (#22338084)
Not burn their customers so badly they were put in the hospital.
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by rhizome on Saturday February 15, 2020 @07:28PM (#22339023)
You still believe that take on the story?
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by amanaplanacanal on Saturday February 15, 2020 @11:38PM (#22339810)
Absolutely
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by rhizome on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:24PM (#22351468)
OK that's weird. I was wrong to dispute it, but I think the story has gone around and around on my radar so many times that I was confused as to which was the right story. Kind of an "eggs are bad" "eggs are good" depending on which decade you're talking about. Mea culpa!
Re:SoftBank’s $375M bet on pizza went bad fast by mumblemumble on Saturday February 15, 2020 @03:49PM (#22337881)
Comfortable seating.