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Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by chungus_khan on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:59AM (#22289116)
As much as I want that to be the case, "A television broadcast that doesn't come in free over the airwaves isn't a broadcast show" type sentiments didn't stop cable, and while cable started with a nicer, often ad-free offering, the advantages faded as it grew, balkanization of channel offerings eventually came, etc. Operating a local television station in the US today now requires collaboration with these companies, and they have little incentive to work effectively with smaller local players. They can get nationally syndicated shows through their originating networks, and only really need to bow to local interests at all for highly localized things like news (and even that's dying rapidly).

These open spaces and preferred arrangements have to be defended or they will die.

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by smoyer on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:20AM (#22289278)
Cable TV started as a way for people in mountainous areas to get signal to their sets ... not as an ad-free alternative to broadcast TV. At the time, over-the-air networks were received by the cable TV companies and sent down the wires (coaxial cable), so the reality is that the subscribers were paying for free television when they couldn't receive the signal directly at their location.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by chungus_khan on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:09AM (#22289710)
That was definitely the case for early cable, but at the point where it was receiving wide adoption one of the main selling points for non-isolated customers was premium cable-only channels, which at the time were generally ad-free or very sparse with adverts. Broadcast channels always had adverts, but those weren't the selling point for wide adoption.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:24AM (#22289862)
That hasn’t changed. The same “premium only” content without ads is still ad free. Early cable channels like TBS always had ads.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by chungus_khan on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:42AM (#22290029)
A lot of specialty and news content that used to be ad-free or relatively low-ad-content isn't anymore, but this also isn't really relevant to my point and I never said that cable used to be ad-free, but rather that there used to be a more prominent attraction to it due to some ad-free content offerings.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:10AM (#22290323)
That ad free content still exists - HBO and similar channels. The same content that was originally ad free.

But now, we are actually in a golden age of having ad free content for TV.

Of course you have Netflix, Amazon Prime etc. But you also have Hulu’s ad free tier that offers content from NBC, ABC, and the Fox networks without ads and you have CBS All Access. You can also get ad free content from AMC.

Someone has to pay for the content. If you are willing to pay for ad free video, there are plenty of options.

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by Dylan16807 on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:45PM (#22293721)
> HBO and similar channels.

All four of them?

And Hulu's fake ad-free tier is pretty ridiculous.

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by ac29 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:13PM (#22293965)
Sounds like only 3 shows currently show ads on the ad-free tier: https://help.hulu.com/s/article/hulu-no-ads?language=en_US

Is that not the case?

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by Dylan16807 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:15PM (#22293981)
It being a small number of shows doesn't stop it from being ridiculous.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @06:37PM (#22294576)
Why do I have a feeling that you probably don’t watch any of those three shows and if so, it’s probably only Agents of Sheild?
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by Dylan16807 on Monday February 10, 2020 @07:42PM (#22294960)
I can't criticize Hulu if I don't have it?
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:17PM (#22295409)
you are complaining about three shows out of the literally hundreds if not thousands of episodes of TV shows that it has.

And probably knowing the demographics of HN, you wouldn’t be that interested in Greys Anatomy.

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by Dylan16807 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @04:22AM (#22297157)
Something doesn't have to affect me personally to be ridiculous.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Thursday February 13, 2020 @04:47PM (#22321762)
So would it be better for them to take those three shows off Hulu to keep things “pure”?
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:01PM (#22293868)
HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, STARZ on regular TV plus plenty of ad free streaming alternatives.

What ads do you see on Hulu’s ad free tier? The extra on demand content you get is from Hulu Live.

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:16AM (#22289245)
Cable was never an ad free alternative. That’s a popular meme.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by chungus_khan on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:56AM (#22289590)
A large number of premium, cable-exclusive channels were at one point. Broadcast channels weren't, but that wasn't a disadvantage, and those premium channels brought a lot to the table.

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/26/arts/will-cable-tv-be-inv...

Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:25AM (#22289869)
Those few premium channels that you paid extra for on top of your regular cable build were ad free and still are.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by chungus_khan on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:38AM (#22289988)
Some of them are, especially movie-related ones, but special interest and news channels generally run ads now. This also isn't really relevant to my point and I never said that cable used to be ad-free, but rather that there used to be a more prominent attraction to it due to some ad-free content offerings.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by JohnFen on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:28PM (#22291164)
I remember when cable first came to my city. They marketed it heavily as being an ad-free alternative to broadcast TV. That was not a myth.
Re:Will Spotify Ruin Podcasting? by scarface74 on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:41PM (#22291330)
Cable TV was first created to deliver broadcast TV. Where do you think all of the content came from? Second run syndication of broadcast TV supported by advertising and premium channels that you paid extra for. It wasn’t until maybe 15 years ago that cable channels started producing their own non reality content.