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Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by tyingq on Friday February 07, 2020 @08:42AM (#22265815)
95th percentile for an SAT score is something like 1450. That's fairly impressive to me. Feels like scoring higher might often have more to do with effort than ability.

Is that excluded from the line of thought in the blog post because it's among "people who regularly practice?"

Or is it that effort vs ability thing? Not impressive because you were born smart?

In a totally "no effort" arena, 95th percentile height for a 19 year old US male is 6 feet, 2 inches. Does that feel unusual/impressive or "not that good?" I imagine it brings plenty of life benefits.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by bryanrasmussen on Friday February 07, 2020 @09:14AM (#22266079)
Perhaps the 95%-ile is actually good when it is something that almost everyone has to do.

Everyone in school is practicing at least a bit on reading comprehension, and the SAT is across lots of schools, if you are the in 95%-ile of millions of people it might be more impressive than being in the 95%-ile of tens of thousands of people.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by Spooky23 on Friday February 07, 2020 @10:30AM (#22266872)
Remember that everyone has different goals. My cousin was heartbroken when she got a 1570 on the old SATs, as her dream of going to some university was crushed, as she was competing with peers in an elite high school. She had to settle for Brown or something, and was convinced that life was over.

For me, I didn't have the desire or resources to do that. I got my 1400 and was able to choose from any of a dozen schools. That meant that being a white shoe attorney or McKinsey consultant was out of my reach. Life is good.

On another note, my son is passionate about little league. He's good, has fun, has a competitive spirit, has made great friends, etc. It's a great thing. He's probably in the 75th percentile of players at his age and region. So unfortunately, major league baseball dreams are unlikely to be fulfilled.

This article is similar. Being in the 95th percentile of people playing some video game is interesting, but isn't something that I would have any desire to do, and probably is a fools errand unless you're looking to compete at a professional level. I'd like to be in the 99th of people having fun playing a game -- the time and mechanics of getting to be an elite player is probably in opposition to that goal!

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:36AM (#22267691)
Are you saying she was heartbroken with a 1570 out of the old 1600 or the slightly-less-old, but still not current 2400? I can't believe that 1570/1600 is going to disqualify you from anywhere.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by Spooky23 on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:58PM (#22268736)
This was the 90s, so the old 1600 based exam.

My understanding is that there is/was an admissions quota at the high school level. I don't recall the gory details, but as a cousin and friend I was sympathetic, but as someone not in the middle of it I was puzzled and kind of horrified at the brutal competition that left a truly brilliant person feeling like some sort of rube.

Everything worked out in the end.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by icedchai on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:11PM (#22270349)
Your cousin is probably exaggerating. 1570 is still 99th percentile (assuming out of 1600 obviously.)

1400 is still way above average, at least 95th percentile.

You can do whatever you want in both cases.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by tyingq on Friday February 07, 2020 @09:28AM (#22266224)
That seems like a good observation...sample size matters. Being one the best players in my over-40, non-contact, recreational hockey league is very, very, not meaningful. I could move up a bracket and be an ignored bench warmer. Or move down and be a superstar.

Seems recognized by everyone playing though. We focus little on who has talent. It's more about cool multi-player strategy, and funny stuff. Terrible players that "luck or effort" into something magnificent is way more exciting and celebrated than a known good player scoring/defending. "Goalie didn't show up and here's a dumbass in pads" are the best games, even if it's your goalkeeper and you get destroyed on the scoreboard.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by peripitea on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:14PM (#22270385)
The point is about improving skills.

SAT performance is (largely) determined by intelligence, which is (largely) innate. If you're relatively smart and don't practice at all, you will score higher on the SAT than your less smart friend no matter how long they practice.

This applies even more so to height.

With many learned skills, though, if you invest time and are thoughtful about how you approach your learning, you can get to 95th percentile fairly easily, despite that seeming quite impressive. Many participants don't put the time/effort in, and many of those who do don't do it in a remotely efficient way. If you do both, you are virtually guaranteed to get to a high percentile across a wide range of skills, mostly independent of your innate ability.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by mint2 on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:26AM (#22267559)
I’m Recalling whether it was 96% or 94%, but I got a perfect on my math sat II. And yet the perfect score was only ~95%.

Top 1/20 Can be impressive or unimpressive depending on context.

Top 1/20 is impressive if everyone in the group is competitive. It’s not impressive if it’s 1/20 out of a bunch of randoms who’ve never tried to be good at it.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by jdashg on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:58PM (#22268746)
SAT II Chinese listening test has 800 at 61%ile: https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/sat/pdf/sat-subject-te...
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by lostinroutine on Friday February 07, 2020 @02:25PM (#22269752)
In your case, I'd say ~95% in Math SAT II is still rather impressive because the group of people taking SAT II is already self-selected as few schools actually require the test.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by SkyBelow on Friday February 07, 2020 @10:29AM (#22266853)
The 95th percentile of SAT seems quite different than the 95th percentile of people taking in the first time and doing no special prep. Sadly that second score is near impossible to measure because it would be useful to help many kids compare their first score with no dedicated prep to a more realistic percentile (and better encourage them to work to improve their score).
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by bagacrap on Friday February 07, 2020 @10:25AM (#22266817)
First, no, it's not that amazing if it's something every 20th person has. Second, height is not something you should fixate on. The benefits of being tall are generally over reported. In certain arenas like basketball it helps. In others, like running, pants shopping or air travel, it hurts. I think it's probably about the 12th most important factor in person to person interactions, after eye contact, body language, eloquence, voice, the elements of physical presentation you can control, etc.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by tyingq on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:22AM (#22267507)
"Second, height is not something you should fixate on."

I'm not convinced. Many studies illustrate the correlation to success. We are still animals and not-merit factors still matter. Good looks, height, gender, race, symmetry, smell, whatever, etc, are a real "thing". You can overcome it all with mitigation, but it isn't imaginary. That stuff drives real outcomes.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by LanceH on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:45AM (#22267794)
Height could be correlated with "thriving" from infancy through childhood.

Also, I have tall children and they are regularly treated as older than they are, setting expectations higher for them in settings outside of school where they aren't grouped by age.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by tyingq on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:58PM (#22268742)
Me too. I have sons that are 6'4" and 6"2". I'm not "short", but am 5 foot whatever. Mostly my view is "thankful for the genetic luck" for the extra benefit of the doubt they get. And those benefits are very clear, despite other strengths both have.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by hindsightRegret on Friday February 07, 2020 @02:15PM (#22269630)
Tinder would seem to contradict you there. How often is an eloquence requirement given vs. height requirement? Sure, height is not something we should fixate on, but it doesn't mean that doesn't happen anyways.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by solean on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:36PM (#22270626)
Usain Bolt is 6'5"
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by didibus on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:17PM (#22268252)
Height is tricky, because its indirect to real goals. So it would depend what you'd want to achieve. Also, I'd think the 95%-ile of height might actually be better then the 100%-ile. Being too tall comes with its own set of limitations.

So again, its all about the framing. If you just frame ir as taller is better, then ya, 95%-ile starts being impressive, but not as much as 96%-ile.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by akhilcacharya on Friday February 07, 2020 @05:10PM (#22271605)
A 1450 is not a very good SAT score. Its not good enough to get into top schools.

I had a 1500/1600 SAT and I was basically DOA.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by applecrazy on Friday February 07, 2020 @06:54PM (#22272463)
1540/1600 here + National Merit (1520/1520). I applied last admissions cycle, and was DOA for top schools, but mainly because of my 3.8 GPA.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by leetcrew on Saturday February 08, 2020 @10:31AM (#22276217)
this isn't necessarily true, it's around the 25th percentile of students admitted to harvard. probably not gonna happen unless there's something else special about you, though.

I got into a top ten college with a 1470. it was fairly lopsided though (800 critical reading, 670 math; apparently the scores are reported differently now?), I dunno whether that helps or hurts.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by akhilcacharya on Thursday February 13, 2020 @01:13PM (#22319915)
I got a 1500 with a 790 CR and 710 Math (Yikes!). Went to my state school and hated it so I just came away with the conclusion that my entire high school career was just a massive waste of time and effort.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by leetcrew on Thursday February 13, 2020 @04:16PM (#22321507)
well after a few years I ended up transferring to a local state school that accepts ~60% of applicants (iow, a very different world). I didn't like my state school very much either, but honestly the cs program was a good but more rigorous than the "elite" college I had originally gotten into.

ultimately this stuff doesn't matter as much as you might think. the state school I went to turned out to have good relationships with lots of software companies in the area. I ended up getting an internship that lead to a pretty good gig straight after graduation.

Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by akhilcacharya on Friday February 14, 2020 @01:26PM (#22328833)
I think I got pretty great gigs out of undergrad, but I don't think the HN crowd would agree!
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by mav3rick on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:54AM (#22342068)
What gigs did you get ? How does it matter what the HN crowd thinks ?
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by leetcrew on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @09:41AM (#22365775)
you seem to be following this person around and harassing them on all their posts. why?
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by mav3rick on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:04AM (#22389941)
I follow the front page just like everyone else. And his comments about "perceived elitism" always stand out. Just comment on whenever I find something interesting in the comment.
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by akhilcacharya on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:56PM (#22393600)
Well they sure are great at proving me right ‾\_(ツ)_/‾
Re:95th percentile isn't that hard to reach by mav3rick on Sunday February 23, 2020 @01:37AM (#22395490)
You didn't answer the question I asked.