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Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:52PM (#22262150)
Chris Bosh, oft-derided for "riding the coattails" of Lebron and Dwyane Wade* funded a number of coding schools and studied CS at Georgia Tech. His parents had him coding at an early age as well.

(*Chris Bosh is a Hall of Fame player and maybe the most underrated big man of the last decade. Happy to debate. LOL)

Kevin Durant spent his time in the Bay Area investing in startups and learning how the tech world worked in SV.

More and more athletes are thinking of life-after-the-sport, but just as many are also seeing themselves as businessmen DURING their careers. The biggest names want to build iconic brands, and not just brands that focus on their personal identities. Podcasts, streaming services, energy drinks, athletic gear, music, film production, technology. Young smart men (mostly) flush with cash who have been coached on the cautionary tales of the late 90's and'00s where players received mega-contracts and were broke within 5 years (see: Vince Young, Antoine Walker, Andre Rison)

One last story: I used to work in the hosting/infrastructure world and an early colleague was a very early employee at RAX. Once told me a story that Gregg Popovich (coach) and David Robinson (HOF player) of the San Antonio Spurs each put $1M into RAX when they were still doing seed investments from friends, family and connections. He told me that if both men liquidated their shares at IPO, even with the 20% dip that happened quite quickly, their individual take would have each been more than Robinson made as an NBA player in his entire career ($112M).

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by tmpz22 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @08:46PM (#22262465)
A lot of athletes have their intelligence underestimated because of their background and education - most people don't understand just how smart you need to be to compete at the highest level.

But lets not fool ourselves either, there is also a lot of celebrity investments where a famous name is slapped on a lifestyle product like vitamin water, the celebrity makes millions, and the consumers ultimately get shafted because more often then not the celebrity name is just credentialism to up-sell a mediocre product. Shark tank does this as well because they know as soon as the show airs there will be a huge spike in sales by default.

Sometimes this is really bad for society as was the case with Theranos board of directors and any of the Kardashian brands. We shouldn't let celebrities amplify pump and dump schemes. I don't think the NBA players you listed have been involved, but I think its always important that we are vigilant for it...

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Thursday February 06, 2020 @08:57PM (#22262519)
I'm not sure it's reasonable to put blame on celebrities (athletes or otherwise) for hawking crappy things. A lot of the things people spend "more" on are mediocre product, excellent branding (Apple, Gucci, Range Rover, the list goes on). A celebrity endorsement is just more of the same - branding.

And I appreciate your diplomacy (seriously), but a lot of athletes have their intelligence underestimated because they are minorities and only went to college for one or two years...but mostly because they are minorities. The notion that someone young and African-American who can jump out of the gym might also be really smart is not something that's common to consider unfortunately.

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by lonelappde on Thursday February 06, 2020 @09:34PM (#22262752)
There's a difference between "paying a lot more for the same thing" (soda with a pretty label) and "paying a lot more for a better thing but maybe not worth it to me because I'm not rich enough and my limited moneyy pays for more important things" as in the examples above.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Thursday February 06, 2020 @10:52PM (#22263080)
Are there a lot of sodas that cost 2 or 3x as much as an alternate, not pretty packaged soda?
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by tmpz22 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @11:06PM (#22263134)
Red Bull counts I think, basically just soda with Taurine and a bit of caffeine sprinkled in. Those things are nearly $5 a can.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by clairity on Thursday February 06, 2020 @11:34PM (#22263242)
a little grocery hack for that: you can get a 10-pack of bacchus-d, the korean precursor to red bull, for about $5-7 at asian stores. the bottles are small but they pack a similar punch.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by tmpz22 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @09:04PM (#22262570)
My wording could've been much better, for me its less about condemning celebrity endorsements but taming various tech and consumer fetishes which I ultimately deem as harmful to society.

For example, investing in start-ups is good but raising gluttonous amounts of money with a terrible product or business plan is bad. If we have a bunch of articles glorifying industry outsiders parking their money here, it will raise a reciprocal amount of Uber and dollar shave club clones which take away from "more-worthy" projects.

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by alharith on Friday February 07, 2020 @04:32PM (#22271188)
> but mostly because they are minorities.

I don't think this is true for the majority of Americans anymore in regards to sports athletes. My finger on the rather sensitive topic is it has more to do with how different groups perceive one's culture (and potential ignorance thereof) than race. You'll be hard press to find, save the few rare 0.1% fringe racists or trolls, questions around Russell Wilson's intelligence, or Patrick Mahomes, or Kobe Bryant, or Richard Sherman. If you simply google "smartest athletes" you get a pretty diverse representation of African American athletes, White athletes, and everything in between.

Also working against famous athletes, is the fact that pop culture and celebrity is generally not associated with intelligence in America on a whole.

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Friday February 07, 2020 @07:39PM (#22272764)
I appreciate very much that that is your point of view. I sincerely HOPE we live in a world where men and women can be well-compensated athletes AND be intelligent, regardless of race.I think you make a great point about pop culture/celebrity.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by alharith on Thursday February 06, 2020 @08:32PM (#22262393)
People who think Chris Bosh was riding anyone's coattails clearly don't know anything about Chris Bosh or basketball. First of all, he already showed he was a superstar in his own regard with the Raptors, where he left being the franchise's all-time record holder in points, rebounds, blocks, and minutes played. Second, there is a such thing as too many cooks in the kitchen, and so Chris Bosh understanding this, elected to do what it took to win a championship rather than trying to inflate statistics, and he played his role exceptionally. If you have ever read Bill Simmons' "Book of Basketball" he describes this as "The Secret"

(Thank you for this rare opportunity to talk sports on HN!)

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Thursday February 06, 2020 @08:38PM (#22262425)
I usually shut down Bosh haters with "He has 2 rings, is an 11 time All Star, and has an Olympic Gold Medal. The number of people with half that resume who aren't in the HOF is ZERO. He's a first ballot guy no question."
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by tedk-42 on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:35AM (#22263732)
He also grabbed the rebound and threw the ball to Ray Allen for a game winning shot. He was a hard worker who improved his 3pt shot when we went to Miami, knowing he needed to space the floor. He understood what team mentality meant for success.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by lpaone on Friday February 07, 2020 @04:10AM (#22264333)
Bosh grabbed the rebound because of arguably one of the worst coaching decisions in NBA history; that being to sit one of the greatest defenders ever (Duncan) on the bench for the most important defensive possession of the season.

Bosh would not have been able to reach over Duncan to get the rebound and it would have been over. To this day, I still cannot comprehend what Popovich was thinking.

That being said, Bosh definitely deserves a spot in the HoF. He was a MVP candidate his final year before leaving for Miami. A lot of people totally forget this.

Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by eagsalazar2 on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:57AM (#22263570)
Who says that about Chris Bosh? Almost every analysis I've heard of his time in Miami with LeBron and Wade is that he sacrificed a superstar career to be 3rd option. Bosh was insane in Toronto when he was "the" guy.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by creativityhurts on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:54AM (#22264262)
In Miami with LeBron and Wade they were called "The 3 Kings"
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by yardie on Friday February 07, 2020 @06:17AM (#22264931)
He won 3 rings while in Miami. He didn’t sacrifice anything.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by eagsalazar2 on Friday February 07, 2020 @09:44AM (#22266391)
He sacrificed numbers and the spotlight. Just look at his stats before and after. Of course there was a major upside, not saying otherwise. He sacrificed but for the greater good of winning rings and it worked but he still sacrificed. However in terms of him riding their coattails, I've never heard anyone say that.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by goatherders on Friday February 07, 2020 @06:53AM (#22265135)
2 rings.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by forkLding on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:28AM (#22263708)
What's RAX? And also Shaq invested early in Google. In the end, the NBA reflects society and has broad strokes and a wide spectrum of players.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by bruceb on Friday February 07, 2020 @02:00AM (#22263807)
Rackspace.
Re:How Andre Iguodala handled his rare NBA sabbatical in Sil... by elpakal on Friday February 07, 2020 @09:06AM (#22266013)
Reminds of a fact about Kobe - apparently he made $196 million on a sports drink investment after retirement.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kobe-bryants-6m-investment-spo...