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Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by Nuzzerino on Thursday February 06, 2020 @02:51PM (#22259626)
What are they losing in this case? I don't see how a company is actually harmed by someone complaining about an interview. Unless you're trying to attract people who subscribe to cancel culture, I don't see a problem.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by kenhwang on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:19PM (#22259873)
Employee hours. Someone has to collect, document, sanitize, and explain the feedback. Then respond to the response to the feedback. In the time it takes our recruiter to provide feedback to a candidate, they could have sourced 20 more candidates.

edit: I'll argue instant feedback is even more expensive and risky. It's not coordinated, potentially duplicative, may impact/contaminate later rounds, and may not be complete or representative of the interview as a whole. Engineers aren't known for being naturally HR/legal-compliant, and having multiple expensive engineers spend time doing things not in their typical skillset that's typically done by a single resource that specializes in said skillset doesn't sound cheaper at all.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by wwweston on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:09PM (#22261437)
> Someone has to collect, document, sanitize, and explain the feedback.

Either something like this is being up collected and articulated up through the decision points in the hiring process, or the decisions are being made on a fuzzy basis that can't even be explained internally, which presumably represents a risk that decisions couldn't be properly justified should a candidate suspect discrimination and pursue a claim.

(This is especially true for any kind of exercises, btw. If an employer asks me to do some, I am going to screen them on whether they have (a) complete reference solutions with (b) numbers on how long it took to complete each and why they're confident those numbers are reliable(c) a written rubric for evaluating candidate solutions that (d) they'll agree to share with me when we're done.)

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by kenhwang on Thursday February 06, 2020 @09:15PM (#22262646)
Considering most of the interview is evaluation of soft skills and unique backgrounds there's almost certainly fuzzy basis.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by Apocryphon on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:07PM (#22261426)
On the other hand, by giving good feedback, your company engenders goodwill and brownie points ratings on Glassdoor and elsewhere. Shouldn’t good PR be worth a little work from a company?
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by justforyou on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:35PM (#22261629)
Companies that are that concerned about PR spin their situation with actual PR.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by Apocryphon on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:38PM (#22261653)
Word of mouth is also a thing.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by mixmastamyk on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:46PM (#22260112)
The article recommends instant feedback, presumably much less costly.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by eropple on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:37PM (#22260623)
They've only disrupted their day to talk to you, in many cases having done these increasingly-prevalent and always-bullshit 4+-hour "exercises", and they have way less time to be allocating than you do. That's all they've done. Their time isn't deserving of respect and it's just downright ridiculous to think that it's the decent thing to do to tell them something that might, just might, not make it a waste for them to have spent it.

...Or, you know. Don't be that guy. Candidate, candidate, candidate--depersonalizing language for depersonalized processes. How about person? These are people you're talking about. They matter more than your recruiter's cattle-call throughput, each and every one of them.

Have some empathy, my dude. Or at least some enlightened self-interest, for someday will be your day in the barrel.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by kenhwang on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:51PM (#22260762)
Interviewing is a business transaction, not social services. They'll min-max their time just like you'll mix-max your compensation.

I'll happily give advice, feedback, mock interviews, and other sorts of help on my own time in more appropriate environments. When it's company time, it's just business.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by xkemp on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:12PM (#22261464)
It's interesting how "it's business" has become catch-all for absolving every breach of previously accepted social norm.

As a hiring manager, you're unlikely to be on the clock. And even if, I am somewhat certain that you could come up with good justifications for giving feedback if anybody asks, which nobody will.

It seems to be a specific disease of middle management to feel the need to demonstrate their "professionalism" by going out of their way to deny their humanity. At Wall Street, they buy ugly but expensive clothes for this purpose. But I guess on the West Coast you only have the Gordon Gecko playbook to fall back on.

I used to work at a branding agency, and it was interesting to see how risk averse middle management was: ideas for product names tend to only be good if they evoke some sort of not entirely pure concept. Think of "Plan B", "Virgin", or "CockroachDB". These would always get shot down by middle management as "unprofessional". Go a level up and people are far more open to be human. I don't know if they are just more self-assured and therefore willing to trust their instincts, or if the selection process for higher management actually works quite well.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by alex7o on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:04PM (#22261815)
I feel like the reason that is, because middle managers believe they need to be better by not making mistakes, and things without mistakes are bland and inhumane, also some of them maybe have a some kind of complex. I might be wrong tho?
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by eropple on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:54PM (#22260800)
You can rationalize how you'd like, but it's never "just business." These are people you're talking about. They matter more than your company does.

Be decent.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by kenhwang on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:14PM (#22261000)
They're getting a prompt, professional, inoffensive response in exchange for their time. That is decency.

You can't expect a business to feed the hungry, cure the sick, and house the poor out of the goodness of their hearts because these are people that spent a couple hours of their day with you. There are more appropriate institutions for charity.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by eropple on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:37PM (#22261641)
Uh. I can certainly expect a business to be responsible in it's treatment of others. They exist at the sufferance of the society that grants their charter. Why should shitty behavior be normalized, ever?

And why are you stanning so hard for a process whose bloodless mind would bleed you dry and kick you to the curb for a nickel? Was Steinbeck really that right?

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by Apocryphon on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:19PM (#22261514)
Perhaps the easiest business-oriented solution to this mess is to simply comp applicants for investing their time in interviews with a company. At least then there isn’t the sentiment of having wasted time.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by eropple on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:39PM (#22261662)
This is an excellent suggestion that treats people as people and as professionals whose time is valuable. It would, of course, never happen, because those same employers fear of what might happen if they granted the same respect they demand, but I admire your lateral thinking.
Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by fzeroracer on Thursday February 06, 2020 @08:47PM (#22262472)
Sure, and as a business transaction, what do you think will happen if you treat potential business partners poorly?

The answer is that they'll leave negative reviews, tell people to avoid your company or decimate any goodwill your company might have. I have in the past left scathing reviews on Glassdoor and was on some occasions the first one to drop my experience. Because after long projects or a company promising to get back in touch, they decided to instead ghost me or make me do ridiculous tricks for the application process.

If you view something as a business transaction, then you should know one of the worst things you can do in business is spurn the person you're working with.

Re:No engineer has ever sued because of constructive post-in... by Nuzzerino on Thursday February 06, 2020 @10:07PM (#22262892)
I had someone ghost me right before a christmas holiday once, after the hiring manager (a VP) told me they'd for sure give me a call the next day. It was right before a major storm went through the area, and because I had waited for their call at home I had to drive 10 hours through the storm to see my folks as the storm had arrived the following day.

I naturally left a scathing review for that place, but Glassdoor removed it (of course).