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Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by nkrisc on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:34AM (#22235918)
> Nobody is doing that for $1m/year when one wrong decision could end up costing 1000x more than their salary and hurting livelihoods of the workers.

You make it sound like they'll somehow lose out personally by losing the company 1000x their salary and hurting the livelihoods of workers, like they're somehow being compensated for personal risk.

What you cited represents no personal risk to the CEO. They already made their millions. Now maybe if CEOs were actually liable for the damage they could do to the company and economy, would it be more justified.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by nilkn on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:59PM (#22238722)
You'll never find a qualified candidate for running a huge multinational corporation for only $1M/year. You simply won't be able to hire for the role and the company will have to go without a leader. If you try to promote someone internally whom you think would do a good job and then underpay them, they'll simply leave shortly after because someone else will snatch them up and pay them more than you. If you do find someone who stays for that amount, it'll be a bottom-of-the-barrel candidate that everyone else passed on already.

This is like wanting to find a top-tier senior staff engineer for $30k/year in San Francisco. At the end of the day, the people who can do the job can also perform other roles, and those other roles already pay more than $1M/year. You have to convince them to take on an unprecedented amount of stress and responsibility and effectively act as a public figure with all the baggage that comes along with that. You also have to retain them and prevent competitors from hiring them and deploying them against you. That means you have to pay them more -- sometimes a lot more.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by manigandham on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:46AM (#22236856)
There is personal risk. If the CEO does a poor job they might not be hired again or have other career impacts. There are numerous Fortune 500 CEOs that have a negative reputation that impacts their future earnings.

Also corporations partly exist to shield liability so CEOs are not going to be personally held responsible outside of gross negligence or criminal acts, the same way you wouldn't be held responsible if you caused a major outage in your company that lost customers. There is an general move towards more performance-based compensation though, which I think you would agree is a good thing.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by nkrisc on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:55AM (#22237873)
> There is personal risk. If the CEO does a poor job they might not be hired again or have other career impacts. There are numerous Fortune 500 CEOs that have a negative reputation that impacts their future earnings.

And if I do a shit job I might have trouble getting hired too, but I'm not paid millions for it.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by manigandham on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:07PM (#22238025)
Perhaps, but extremely unlikely. Who would know? I'm sure you can see there's a massive difference from a major CEO who is known publicly vs you switching jobs and not getting a reference callback at worst.
Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by Supermancho on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:32PM (#22238356)
> If the CEO does a poor job they might not be hired again or have other career impacts

For some reason, I hear that they do fine all the time. Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer ?

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by piva00 on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @05:46AM (#22245661)
Can you share an example of a CEO who was fired for incompetence (not criminal behaviour) that has had their career completely impacted by it?

I'm asking because Google isn't giving me answers.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by reroute1 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:53AM (#22237823)
> There is personal risk. If the CEO does a poor job they might not be hired again or have other career impacts. There are numerous Fortune 500 CEOs that have a negative reputation that impacts their future earnings.

This is true for all jobs...

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by manigandham on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:07PM (#22238031)
Your work performance is not likely publicly listed with constant reviews from employees and shareholders, is it?
Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by reroute1 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:55PM (#22238678)
Your work performance is absolutely reviewed by managers and peers. Of course not to the extent of a CEO, but you're not getting paid what a CEO is and don't have the same impact so that's not surprising either. The point is all jobs have risks for performing badly, as they should.

Not to mention sometimes CEO's performing badly results in a golden parachute... quite a far cry from your grunt worker getting laid off with no pension or benefits.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by manigandham on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:11PM (#22242619)
If you go to a new job, who is telling them how bad you were at the last one? At most you might get a recommendation if you're good but it's rare to have anything follow you around unless it's major public news.

Golden parachutes are not about performance, it's about change of control like a company takeover or merger. It's very common and happens to many startup founders that get acquired. It's also not much different than severance which is offered to employees at large corporations.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by reroute1 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:32PM (#22242790)
If you get a new job is key. Serious jobs will contact past employers and look at gaps in your resume. If you are being laid off and have bad references it will absolutely negatively affect you. Sure you could get some job, but so could an EX CEO...

Golden parachutes are extra insulation for CEOs and their performance can definitely cause them to exit a company with a parachute that otherwise would keep them. It is like severance except wildly higher and more often than not there is no severance for average workwrs, especially nowadays.

Either way, originally you made a statement about a CEO having negative impacts from their performance, but the exact same thing is true of everyone. A public story of a CEO performing badly is just as ethereal as a recommendation from a past job. Neither is a death sentence or a golden ticket, it's just a job and if you do it poorly you will have negative consequences. Publicity could serve an exiting CEO regardless of performance, that is not hard to conceive. It's just a different level of job people aren't blind to that. But to say they take greater personal risk by being a CEO, I don't buy that, they take the same risk as everyone else. If you do well you get rewarded, if you do poorly you're future is negatively affected. There's really nothing to support it's so different for a CEO.

Re:McKinsey, technocratic management, and structural inequality by vorpalhex on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:56AM (#22237874)
What Elon Musk tweets out in his personal time absolutely affects Tesla. If Elon decides to drive a Toyota Prius tomorrow.. well, guess what that does?

Being a CEO is not a 9-5. Everything and anything a CEO does is monitored by a cadre of people.