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Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by iodbh on Sunday February 02, 2020 @08:20AM (#22216780)
I'm a native french speaker and only recently realized that "Qu'est-ce que c'est ?" ("what is it ?") literally translates to "what is it that it is ?".
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by remram on Sunday February 02, 2020 @11:03AM (#22217531)
And the famous "Qu'est-ce que c'est que cette chose là ?", meaning "what is this thing", but literally "what is this that this is that this thing there?"
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by mehrdadn on Sunday February 02, 2020 @08:15PM (#22220667)
I'm a little confused, why is the second "que" there? Why can't it just be "Qu'est-ce que c'est cette chose-là?"? (I'd expect it to be the equivalent of "What is it that it's that thing there?")
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by mratsim on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:09PM (#22226195)
It's decorative, it has no meaning.

Similarly you have "les choses que l'on voit" and "les choses qu'on voit" with the "l'" being there for prettyness.

Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by mehrdadn on Monday February 03, 2020 @05:38PM (#22230121)
Oh huh, merci!
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by loeg on Sunday February 02, 2020 @02:39PM (#22218893)
As a French-3rd-language learner (first English, then a little Spanish) I was (and am still) really confused about why "qu'est-ce que" is a thing. Spanish doesn't do that, at least as far as I recall. In many respects the languages have similar vocabulary (at least, coming from an English-speaking perspective).
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by enz on Sunday February 02, 2020 @09:03AM (#22216939)
You can just say « Qu’est-ce ? » as well which is literally "what is it" ;) (written form rather than colloquial)
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by yann63 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @11:22AM (#22217654)
You could, and it would be correct. But few would understand at first. It sounds like "caisse", like in "caisse de vin" (crate of wine).
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by forty on Sunday February 02, 2020 @04:14PM (#22219470)
It's much more understandable if you add "donc" after "Qu'est ce". I don't really know why, it just adds extra weirdness :)
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by mehrdadn on Sunday February 02, 2020 @08:19PM (#22220684)
Can you say "Quoi est-ce?" and avoid that ambiguity (and correspondingly, "Qui est-ce?")? Or would that be wrong?
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by jobigoud on Monday February 03, 2020 @08:02AM (#22223741)
"Qui est-ce ?" is correct. "Quoi est-ce ?" is not. "Quand est-ce" and "Où est-ce" work. "Comment est-ce ?" doesn't really work by itself but could work with something after it, like "Comment est ce film ?".

All of these work and sound more natural in spoken language if you flip and say C'est quoi ? C'est qui ? C'est quand ? etc.

Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by bdauvergne on Monday February 03, 2020 @03:45AM (#22222501)
You can't, the "liaison" is mandatory between "quoi" and "est".
Re:Verlan: French slang that inverses words by julienfr112 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:57PM (#22218602)
It could also be used by an "homme de lettre" in a very pompous way.