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Re:Off-Facebook activity by wukerplank on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:19AM (#22179068)
Wow that's creepy. It lists apps where a) I didn't use FB login/signup and b) used a different email address to sign up. How do they cross-reference that to me? Hand how can I prevent that outside of their tools (which I assume still violate my privacy)?
Re:Off-Facebook activity by akie on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:32AM (#22179122)
What you can do to prevent this is:

1) Install https://www.eff.org/privacybadger to prevent trackers from being loaded

2) Install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode... to delete any cookies you might have accepted after a week time or so, which prevents the infinite gobbling-up of your data after innocently accepting a cookie once

3) Install the Google, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon containers to "separate" your browsing with these sites from the rest of your browsing. Links: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/twitter-conta... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amazon-contai...

Also, if you are creeped out by this, just imagine the amount of data Google has on you. I'm convinced they have way more, just by virtue of every website having Google Analytics installed.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:05AM (#22179306)
Those are good, but they don't work for what the GP is talking about. I'm seeing games/apps associated with my FB account even though I never logged in to FB with them or gave them any info. I literally just opened the app and that activity was associated with my FB account.

I have no idea how they're doing this, since they didn't even request storage access (or I didn't give it). Can any Android developer here chime in on how an app can figure out my Facebook ID even though I don't even have Facebook installed on my phone and didn't give any sort of credential or access to the app?

Re:Off-Facebook activity by monort on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:14AM (#22179359)
I think they cross-reference Android Advertising ID in their SDK. Have you ever logged to Facebook from your phone?

https://developers.facebook.com/docs/app-ads/targeting/mobil...

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:16AM (#22179371)
I have, either in the browser or in Swipe (a third-party app). I've never logged in to or installed the Facebook app or Messenger.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by monort on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:48AM (#22181786)
Try to opt out of Advertising ID (Settings -> Google -> ads) and see if apps continue to be associated with your facebook account. I suspect Swipe sent both your account ad advertising id during login.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:54AM (#22181855)
I opted out of Google advertising a long time ago, I think in the end it was Instagram/WhatsApp that did the dirtywork.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by zentiggr on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:55AM (#22179937)
Then FB left behind tracking data, and there's your link. Sigh.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:57AM (#22179952)
How? It was running in a browser.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by cmwright on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @08:17AM (#22180112)
Once you've logged into facebook from the device, they likely created a device fingerprint for your device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint . This would allow them to identify you even without a cookie or ad id to correlate against.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @08:21AM (#22180149)
I don't think the browser fingerprint and native app fingerprint are the same, what you say sounds unlikely to me.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by kube-system on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @11:03AM (#22181965)
Fingerprinting across devices is possible too, using things like behavioral analytics, network traffic, timing, third-party data sources etc.

The third party data sources is the easy one. Log into service A on your computer and service A on your phone. Service A fingerprints both and sells the data to service B. Now service B knows how to correlate your behavior between devices even though you never logged in.

I’m sure you’ve logged in something on both your phone and computer. It doesn’t have to be Facebook.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by throwawaylolx on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:33AM (#22179449)
Maybe same phone number on Google Play and Facebook or some other way the phone number IDs you?

Edit: This report[1] puts the blame mostly on Google ads ID.

[1] https://privacyinternational.org/report/2647/how-apps-androi...

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:35AM (#22179459)
That's possible, though if any app can get my number without asking for any permission I'm going to throw my phone away.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by vdfs on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @09:51AM (#22181101)
Are you using Instagram or WhatsApp?
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:24AM (#22181484)
Ahh, there we go, I forgot about those... That must be it, thanks.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by Nextgrid on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:36PM (#22186733)
The whole point of them buying WhatsApp was to have a backdoor into people's contacts (among other things).
Re:Off-Facebook activity by adriand on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:43AM (#22179183)
I found a mere four items in my activity list, all from several months ago, probably when I mistakenly used the wrong container or had uBlock turned off. It's nice to see all my anti-tracking software is working!
Re:Off-Facebook activity by cmroanirgo on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:48AM (#22179203)
I use Firefox Containers to limit and logged in FB activity to that & never log in using FB other than FB website itself. I have no FB apps (including WhatsApp).

I've been running uMatrix for a few months.

My firefox tracking-prevention (similar to EFF's one, but probably not as good) is always using maximum privacy settings.

I still have a few sites appear... AND for websites I've never even visited (that I'm aware of, & I'm the only user of this machine)

There seems to be some serious fingerprinting going on, more than simple cookies.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by akie on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:07AM (#22179317)
Agreed, even with all of the above I had about 15 or so sites in that Facebook list. I suspect it's because I was logged in to Facebook on my phone's browser for a while. Not sure why I even did that...
Re:Off-Facebook activity by tristador on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:26PM (#22187665)
I thought Google Analytics had a decent privacy policy that would prevent Google from doing anything with GA data. But I remember some fuzzy wording like "your data" which could simply mean that Google considers GA data to be their data.

Has anyone done a good deep dive on what Google actually does with GA data?

Re:Off-Facebook activity by crashbunny on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:41AM (#22179172)
Even before firefox containers, I used a dedicated profile for facebook only as well as using privacy badger and ublock origin. Facebook still collected data about me from external sites. I think mainly through my phone, possibly through linking phone number or email addresses.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by stiray on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:48AM (#22179533)
By far the worst thing are android phone applications (not only FB official app). They have their spyware bundled and can slurp from you the data which are normally unaccessible by web browser, from phone number, imei, mail addresses to all your contacts and there is almost nothing you can do except installing vpn based firewall (like NetGuard) and block all access and add permissions one by one for each url. This should just be illegal.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by throwawaylolx on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:08AM (#22179624)
How can phone apps with no permissions get my phone number?

> except installing vpn based firewall

So they can send the data instead?

Re:Off-Facebook activity by stiray on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @09:52AM (#22181113)
From your friends :) Or you will allow it. To use it. On the other side you can at least control that the common advertisers wont get it (like fb). For everything else get root and xposed + xprivacy. But for most users that is too much. I just gave the easiest advice. I am running microg lineage, xprivacy lua and netguard. But I wonder was this as advice worth the letters used? ;) Will someone go trough the trouble to use it? To replace the rom, install everything, run everything in block mode and allow only what is really needed, like connection to my own mail server? My own ssh tunnel? Probably not. And then comes the master villan, google. How many will remove that one from the phone? Waste of words, right?

Anyway even netguard is far better than nothing, most apps dont need their own servers. And the largest data slurpers are known. For fb just block all fb domains.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by randomchars on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:26AM (#22179089)
I think they either:

- use Facebook pixel tracking on the site.

- hand over all of their user's email addresses to use for audience building.

Or most likely both. Creepy stuff indeed.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:07AM (#22179318)
I use uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger on my desktop and phone, as well as Blokada, and yet Facebook still had a bunch of app activity even though I never ever sign in to stuff using FB (or even gave the apps my email or any other piece of personal data).

I literally just opened the app, granted no permissions, used it a bit, and Facebook associated it with my account. What the fuck.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by the_snooze on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @09:14AM (#22180647)
They could be associating you server-side using persistent identifiers on your phone. For example, if an app has the Facebook SDK, it could send your IMEI to Facebook. Then, if you have a first-party Facebook app like Messenger, that too can send your IMEI to Facebook and link it back to your Facebook account.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by edf13 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:30AM (#22179104)
Yep - all of above....

690 App/Sites for me! Not overly surprising really

Re:Off-Facebook activity by hobofan on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:27AM (#22179094)
I'm pretty sure that 95% from the activity that is listed for me comes from the Facebook tracking pixel, that every website has to embed if they want to (effectively) advertise on Facebook.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by cpv on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @08:22AM (#22180163)
Some chat apps (like Viber and others) have Facebook SDK integrated in them, without any direct Facebook functionality people would use. Discovered after using NetgGuard, and seeing who is calling home, and not only home. (Why viber is making requests to graph.facebook.com anyway?)

Duolingo is a nice app for learning new languages, yet it might be using the same sdk, since it likes to call facebook.com domain.

Netflix is a good streaming service, but it has some option somewhere, which allows them to share data with others, and enabled by default. And yes, it's present in fb activity.

The list can go on...

There are developers who integrate dozens of SDKs, without any specific purpose for users, and not knowing what is happening. We need something like PrivacyBadger/ublockorigin for phones/laptops/routers/homes/cars. It's getting more than creepy.

And why would Facebook allow third-parties/businesses upload into FB info they have on their customers...

PS: analysis of how a simple menstrual tracking app is leaking data about the owner https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10693-no_body_s_business_but_min...

Re:Off-Facebook activity by fyfy18 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:54AM (#22179242)
As an EU "customer" I'm rather surprised by this. There are services that I've signed up to since GDPR came into effect which I didn't get explicitly consent to do this. For example my business bank. Why would I give them permission to share data with my personal Facebook account? I will be digging into this more.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by xg15 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:15AM (#22179367)
Sounds like the activities view could be some good evidence to give to a data protection commissioner.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by joshspankit on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:30AM (#22179755)
Other commenters seem to have missed what you’re really saying here.

I’m on iPhone, and see apps listed where:

- I’ve never logged in on the web

- I’ve never clicked to open a link in a browser on-device

- Used a phone number to sign up that’s not associated with my fb account - Didn’t use email at all

Re:Off-Facebook activity by subaru_shoe on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:30AM (#22179105)
For starters you can delete your facebook account .
Re:Off-Facebook activity by avh02 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:37AM (#22179148)
I don't think that'd really be true, since they'd just have it stored in the background without you having a FB account (and wouldn't have the ability to see how bad it is)

not saying that's worth having an account though.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by crashbunny on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:37AM (#22179149)
does that stop facebook from collecting data about you? I didn't think it did, and because you don't have an account it's not, or at least wasn't possible to control any privacy settings.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by smichel17 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:15AM (#22179669)
Technically, no. Legally, it means you haven't accepted their terms of service, so if/when (I hope) the political privacy landscape changes, it'll be more likely that you can sue, report a violation, request deletion, (or maybe they'd even preemptively delete it to cover their tracks / come into compliance with new laws).
Re:Off-Facebook activity by Corrado on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:33AM (#22181593)
That's an interesting thought. I've removed (deleted?) my Facebook account several months ago. Maybe I should have kept it around in order to manage it.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by fretn on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:39AM (#22179159)
which I did a couple of years ago. Now I have no idea what they know about me. I use adblock and friends, but I wonder how much data about me they still manage to gather
Re:Off-Facebook activity by imoverclocked on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @04:56PM (#22186291)
When I view this link, I can see no activity.

Here is my secret: I deleted my facebook account several years ago. (before it was cool)

I love how links like this are (successfully?) attempting to pull people back in.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by wukerplank on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:31AM (#22179114)
Fair point!