News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by akie on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:32AM (#22179122)
What you can do to prevent this is:

1) Install https://www.eff.org/privacybadger to prevent trackers from being loaded

2) Install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autode... to delete any cookies you might have accepted after a week time or so, which prevents the infinite gobbling-up of your data after innocently accepting a cookie once

3) Install the Google, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon containers to "separate" your browsing with these sites from the rest of your browsing. Links: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-cont... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/twitter-conta... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amazon-contai...

Also, if you are creeped out by this, just imagine the amount of data Google has on you. I'm convinced they have way more, just by virtue of every website having Google Analytics installed.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:05AM (#22179306)
Those are good, but they don't work for what the GP is talking about. I'm seeing games/apps associated with my FB account even though I never logged in to FB with them or gave them any info. I literally just opened the app and that activity was associated with my FB account.

I have no idea how they're doing this, since they didn't even request storage access (or I didn't give it). Can any Android developer here chime in on how an app can figure out my Facebook ID even though I don't even have Facebook installed on my phone and didn't give any sort of credential or access to the app?

Re:Off-Facebook activity by monort on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:14AM (#22179359)
I think they cross-reference Android Advertising ID in their SDK. Have you ever logged to Facebook from your phone?

https://developers.facebook.com/docs/app-ads/targeting/mobil...

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:16AM (#22179371)
I have, either in the browser or in Swipe (a third-party app). I've never logged in to or installed the Facebook app or Messenger.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by monort on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:48AM (#22181786)
Try to opt out of Advertising ID (Settings -> Google -> ads) and see if apps continue to be associated with your facebook account. I suspect Swipe sent both your account ad advertising id during login.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:54AM (#22181855)
I opted out of Google advertising a long time ago, I think in the end it was Instagram/WhatsApp that did the dirtywork.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by zentiggr on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:55AM (#22179937)
Then FB left behind tracking data, and there's your link. Sigh.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:57AM (#22179952)
How? It was running in a browser.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by cmwright on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @08:17AM (#22180112)
Once you've logged into facebook from the device, they likely created a device fingerprint for your device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint . This would allow them to identify you even without a cookie or ad id to correlate against.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @08:21AM (#22180149)
I don't think the browser fingerprint and native app fingerprint are the same, what you say sounds unlikely to me.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by kube-system on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @11:03AM (#22181965)
Fingerprinting across devices is possible too, using things like behavioral analytics, network traffic, timing, third-party data sources etc.

The third party data sources is the easy one. Log into service A on your computer and service A on your phone. Service A fingerprints both and sells the data to service B. Now service B knows how to correlate your behavior between devices even though you never logged in.

I’m sure you’ve logged in something on both your phone and computer. It doesn’t have to be Facebook.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by throwawaylolx on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:33AM (#22179449)
Maybe same phone number on Google Play and Facebook or some other way the phone number IDs you?

Edit: This report[1] puts the blame mostly on Google ads ID.

[1] https://privacyinternational.org/report/2647/how-apps-androi...

Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:35AM (#22179459)
That's possible, though if any app can get my number without asking for any permission I'm going to throw my phone away.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by vdfs on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @09:51AM (#22181101)
Are you using Instagram or WhatsApp?
Re:Off-Facebook activity by StavrosK on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:24AM (#22181484)
Ahh, there we go, I forgot about those... That must be it, thanks.
Re:Off-Facebook activity by Nextgrid on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:36PM (#22186733)
The whole point of them buying WhatsApp was to have a backdoor into people's contacts (among other things).
Re:Off-Facebook activity by adriand on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:43AM (#22179183)
I found a mere four items in my activity list, all from several months ago, probably when I mistakenly used the wrong container or had uBlock turned off. It's nice to see all my anti-tracking software is working!
Re:Off-Facebook activity by cmroanirgo on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:48AM (#22179203)
I use Firefox Containers to limit and logged in FB activity to that & never log in using FB other than FB website itself. I have no FB apps (including WhatsApp).

I've been running uMatrix for a few months.

My firefox tracking-prevention (similar to EFF's one, but probably not as good) is always using maximum privacy settings.

I still have a few sites appear... AND for websites I've never even visited (that I'm aware of, & I'm the only user of this machine)

There seems to be some serious fingerprinting going on, more than simple cookies.

Re:Off-Facebook activity by akie on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:07AM (#22179317)
Agreed, even with all of the above I had about 15 or so sites in that Facebook list. I suspect it's because I was logged in to Facebook on my phone's browser for a while. Not sure why I even did that...
Re:Off-Facebook activity by tristador on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:26PM (#22187665)
I thought Google Analytics had a decent privacy policy that would prevent Google from doing anything with GA data. But I remember some fuzzy wording like "your data" which could simply mean that Google considers GA data to be their data.

Has anyone done a good deep dive on what Google actually does with GA data?

Re:Off-Facebook activity by crashbunny on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:41AM (#22179172)
Even before firefox containers, I used a dedicated profile for facebook only as well as using privacy badger and ublock origin. Facebook still collected data about me from external sites. I think mainly through my phone, possibly through linking phone number or email addresses.