Re:The Positive Side of Shame
by maxduckworth on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:30PM
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Definition of violence
1a: the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
b: an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2: injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : OUTRAGE
3a: intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force
the violence of the storm
b: vehement feeling or expression : FERVOR
also : an instance of such action or feeling
c: a clashing or jarring quality : DISCORDANCE
4: undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)
1a is the definition of violence.
The other definitions are metaphors.
Re:The Positive Side of Shame
by maxduckworth on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:01PM
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> The issue is making someone suffer more than is necessary or making them suffer for the wrong reasons
Agreed. I just think that most people would call causing suffering more than is necessary and for the wrong reasons "violent".
If not "violent", what would you call a shame based intervention that causes unnecessary suffering or is done for the wrong reasons?
Re:The Positive Side of Shame
by AstralStorm on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @04:20AM
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Just call it evil and wrong.
(It is in almost all ethical and moral systems.)
You can also call it immoral and a few other adjectives.
And for added irony, it should also be shameful.
All violence is physical. Metaphorically speaking of shame as violent is an attempt to make shame sound inexcusable when, in reality, shame is necessary.
I don't think it's possible to do a good job raising a child without intentionally making them suffer in order to teach them things. The issue is making someone suffer more than is necessary or making them suffer for the wrong reasons. The suffering part isn't the problem.