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Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by geddy on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:12PM (#22164855)
Lots of shade thrown towards people living in suburbia on here. Maybe not everyone wants to live in a (rented) closet sized apartment in a major city, complete with all the noise pollution, actual pollution, crime rates, and a lingering piss-smell 24/7, and all for the low price of _more than owning a house_?
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by phkahler on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:18PM (#22164901)
>> and all for the low price of _more than owning a house_?

I didnt read much judgement in th parent post, but it does imply suburbia is subsidized because it has higher infrastructure cost per dollar of tax revenue. The was a study on that very thing a couple years ago IIRC and they found the most solvent towns and cities are actually the higher density ones even if they are lower income areas.

Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by SubuSS on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:57PM (#22165107)
Are you thinking of dollar revenue as an average OR considering suburbian dollar revenue separate? You'd think the suburbia also brings in more cash to the government (I got no sources).
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by davidw on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:08PM (#22165165)
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by ummonk on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:10PM (#22166086)
The discussion was about per-person costs, so per-acre revenues are irrelevant.
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by davidw on Monday January 27, 2020 @11:58PM (#22166593)
You can have cities configured to have more or less people per acre.

It turns out that having more of them per acre is more cost effective.

Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by davidw on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:36PM (#22165005)
Ideally, this discussion would not be emotional, but simply one of saying "hey, we should all be free to live like we want, as long as we're willing to pay the associated costs".
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by stefan_ on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:28PM (#22166171)
I don't think anyone cares if you prefer to live rural, the problem is suburbanites having their yard, big house and pool, then every workday commuting into the city where they expect urban dwellers to subsidize the parking spot and eat all the death, destruction and pollution their hunks of metal bring along.

It's like I'm happy to have the walkable grocery store and 24/7 piss smell, but when feeling adventurous driving out to the suburbs to set up camp in your garden.

Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by nitrogen on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:25AM (#22167181)
they expect urban dwellers to subsidize the parking spot

I think most urban commuter parking is paid, whether public or private, and the expectation is that a city charges appropriate property taxes on commercial buildings to cover any costs imposed by commuters.

Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by 0x262d on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:21PM (#22164931)
well, people in suburbia get their infrastructure subsidized by everyone and in addition are destroying the planet, people in cities are paying artificially super-high rent to the landowning class. it seems like we could solve both these problems at the same time and change the value proposition here.
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by AcerbicZero on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:40PM (#22165024)
I live in a city, and I love cars. The issue isn't density, its road damage caused by long and short haul trucking. The shade being thrown towards the suburbs is because some people haven't learned the real enemy is (as almost always) crony capitalism that subsidizes trucking by distributing the costs of roads and road repair onto the local people, while the trucks do the real damage.
Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by joe_the_user on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:20PM (#22165225)
It would be preferable that rail be used for transportation and it's unfortunate that trucking in particular gets subsidized.

However, I don't think your argument justifies that American policy prejudice towards cars and suburbs. Suburbs involve more roads - trucks may the force that mainly consumes roads but of course the higher the road-to-people ratio is, the more those roads are going to be consumed by those trucks. Which is to say, of course cars and trucks both go to the far suburbs and the nowhere's villes around the country and of course these trips are part of maintaining these places.

Moreover, if we moved to more rail transit, the little towns would be more in trouble because rail tends to require larger loads and so would raise the price of goods in far suburban malls and such.

Re:How Much Does a Mile of Road Cost? by asdff on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:11AM (#22166880)
The real damage to suburban roads is old man winter.