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Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by wpasc on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:59PM (#22161963)
really don't understand your down votes. How many breakthroughs were treated with contempt and laughter when they were first presented.

Relativity? Immunotherapy? many others I'm sure

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by ppseafield on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:30PM (#22162853)
In the 80s in order to prove that ulcers were caused by bacteria, a doctor infected himself with said ulcer-causing bacteria and treated himself with antibiotics.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-doctor-who-drank...

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by jacobwilliamroy on Monday January 27, 2020 @04:21PM (#22163913)
In the 19th century, in order to prove that "dirtyness" causes cholera, a man named Pettenkofer drank a vial of clear water contaminated with cholera. Fortunately he attempted to control the experiment by neutralizing his stomach acids beforehand, which prevented the cholera from becoming pathogenic. The colony passed through his digestive tract without incident.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by skyyler on Monday January 27, 2020 @06:33PM (#22164988)
He neutralised his stomach acids to keep the V. cholerae alive, actually.

They didn't pass through him without incident, every account of this story I can find notes that he did get sick. The modern perspective of the story seems to be that he had an immunity from previously having dealt with cholera.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by jacobwilliamroy on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:17PM (#22165554)
The story I heard was that Cholera automatically stops reproducing if its population gets high enough, and that keeping the cholera alive prevented it from spreading.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by gitgreen on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:26PM (#22162247)
Because it was a pointless blanket statement? Anecdote - One classmate went on to study phage therapy in Europe, another went to work for Intralytix a phage therapy biotech in the US, both PhDs. They were not laughed at by their advisor or their contemporaries for their decisions.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by rhombocombus on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:37PM (#22162353)
While true, phage therapy was dismissed as propagandized pseudoscience from the Soviet Union since they were the pioneers in the initial research (and the research did appear dodgy TBH). The landscape has changed, but really recently that was not the case and many microbiologists viewed anything phage related as utter nonsense. I am happy to see more research happening.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @09:16PM (#22165813)
Note that phage therapy was used and understood in the west well before the Soviet Union came into existence. It fell out of use because of the dangers from poorly purified phage preps, and because antibiotics showed up at about the same time those issues could have been fixed, and are a far more useful general purpose tool.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by chmod775 on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:04PM (#22166058)
Do you have some sources for this? Because the Wikipedia article on phage therapy appears to directly contradict you.

Directly after the paragraph about its discovery by an Englishman and a Frenchman:

> A Georgian, George Eliava, was making similar discoveries. He travelled to the Pasteur Institute in Paris where he met d'Hérelle, and in 1923 he founded the Eliava Institute in Tbilisi, Georgia, devoted to the development of phage therapy.

Georgia was part of the USSR at the time. It appears to be the first reference to any actual therapy.

In any case it's a pretty tight schedule from the discovery of bacterophages in 1915/1917 to the formation of the USSR in 1922.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy

Edit:

Found something here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3442826/

> From its first field trials as a prophylactic against avian typhosis (Salmonella gallinarum) in rural France in 1919 [...]

I'm gonna file that under kinda, but not really.

Something more in Félix d'Herelle's biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_d%27Herelle

> The first patient was healed of dysentery using phage therapy in August 1919. Many more followed. At the time, none, not even d'Hérelle, knew exactly what a phage was.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:30PM (#22166178)
Source: Infectious disease epidemiologist who has been interested in phage research for two decades ;)

But you will find on that same Wikipedia page an entry for d'Herelle, and if you follow that...as you note yourself, you get an animal trial in 1919 as well as a human trial. D'Herelle then heads to Indochina to work on Cholera, and he's awarded an honorary doctorate two years after the USSR is founded - along with one of the field's most prestigious medals.

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Is that a tight timeline? Yes. But the idea that "The West" ignored phages because it was some sort of Soviet pseudoscience is contrary to the historical record.

The west abandoned phage therapy because unfiltered endotoxins made phage therapy dangerous, and until the modern era, antibiotics are pretty superior in nearly every respect.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by chmod775 on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:39PM (#22166223)
Took me a while to dig up an online source of his 1921 monograph on the subject. For the curious:

https://archive.org/details/lebactriophages00hrgoog/page/n9/...

(PDF etc. downloads are at the bottom right)

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:44PM (#22166248)
If you're interested, Flemming's Nobel Prize speech transcript is here: https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2018/06/fleming-lecture.p...

It's an excellent read.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:36PM (#22166206)
What did happen because of the USSR is the institute in Georgia not abandoning phage research because they continued to have much more limited access to penicillin thanks to the Cold War.
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by refurb on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:23PM (#22162788)
And how many ideas are touted and never pan out?

You can’t blame people for being skeptical.

I agree that arguments should stay academic and not resort to ridicule.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by nine_k on Monday January 27, 2020 @04:38PM (#22164080)
Skeptical and sober is fine. It's how science should work.

Laughing and ridiculing is not. It's how groupthink reinforces itself.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by aledalgrande on Monday January 27, 2020 @04:49PM (#22164181)
Yeah, isn't curiosity and discovery what science is all about?
Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by BurningFrog on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:02PM (#22161991)
And that was before peer review!

Now it's much harder for disruptive ideas to make it past the "peer wall".

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @09:19PM (#22165838)
Phage therapy was researched by Félix d'Hérelle, a french-canadian scientist who was awarded the Leeuwenhoek Medal. Eli Lilly and Company were working on commercializing it in the U.S.

The problem was phage therapy couldn't stand up to a disruptive idea: the large scale production of penicillin in the mid-40's.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by BurningFrog on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:21PM (#22166142)
Didn't know that.

But I can see how it seemed that penicillin had solved that problem forever back then.

Re:FDA approves first US phage therapy trial (2019) by Fomite on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:34PM (#22166199)
Indeed. While Flemming himself was concerned about resistance, penicillin is:

1) Much broader spectrum than phage preparations 2) Easier to manufacture in large quantities 3) Safer, because you don't need to filter the prep to remove endotoxins

It's basically a silver bullet - if you don't look too far in the future. It was incredibly disruptive.