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Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by spankalee on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:15PM (#22161404)
I started this project as my 20% when I joined Google over 10 years ago.

I had somewhat accidentally been a Filemaker consultant for a while before that and saw how far non-programmers could get with a visual schema editor and GUI editor and some light scripting. They often made a mess, so I came into to fix things, but the fact that a small business owner could make a working custom inventory and invoicing tool with absolutely no training beyond the manual was incredible to me.

I'm really saddened by this shut down, for the continued reputation damage that's being done, because it's my baby (and you don't often get to create an entirely new public product at Google), and because I still believe that the world needs more and better tools that allow non- and casual programmers to build software to solve their own problems.

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by yagurastation on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:34PM (#22162324)
Ex-user myself, and although I can empathise with your disappointment, I frankly have to disagree with your small business owner parable.

It was never easy as advertised. Novices even had trouble following the tutorials and making significant modifications to them. Basic tasks, as those mentioned, were easier accomplished with Google Sheets. And if they needed more they'd get someone professional to do Apps Script. Hence how I know of their pains.

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by spankalee on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:29PM (#22165278)
I personally saw many Filemaker users build pretty impressive apps. App Maker was trying to be more powerful and more general, and so we opened up scripting a lot more than what you saw in Filemaker or MS Access, but it never achieved the full original vision or ease-of-use there. Scripting was a giant escape hatch for features that should have been built-into core, and the scripting features themselves didn't evolve enough. Managing scripts and using dependencies were extremely rudimentary.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by neovive on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:58PM (#22163156)
Congratulations on such a cool project. I was hoping to test AppMaker with our functional users when it was first available on GSuite, but shortly after, the decision to remove support for Google Sheets as a data source proved to be a significant barrier. Our low-tech users enjoyed working with Sheets, but did not understand Cloud SQL. I never understood why that decision was made.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by squidi on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:46AM (#22167268)
My IT Department even refused to enable Cloud SQL for App Maker to run. It killed off all hopes to use it
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by mehh on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:09PM (#22175182)
Smart move by them, just because someone can build an app doesn't mean they should. The amount of VBA stuff kicking around in enterprises is a nightmare!
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by jtwaleson on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:06PM (#22162028)
Cool! Can you share who you (or the PMs involved) saw as the main competition for App Maker?

Disclosure: I worked at a competitor that targets Enterprises, and we were a bit anxious when App Maker came out. Never saw much results in the market though.

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by mritchie712 on Monday January 27, 2020 @04:08PM (#22163798)
Google bought AppSheet (mentioned in the announcement). Also, Retool (YC alum).
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by spankalee on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:24PM (#22165254)
At the time I thought Microsoft LightSwitch would be the biggest competitor. Oops :)
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by jtwaleson on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:51PM (#22172750)
Oops indeed ;) Did you pay any attention to what Outsystems, Mendix, Appian, MS Power Apps etc were doing?
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by woofwoofwoof on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:41PM (#22162394)
I've been at Google in 2015-2016 and remember that this project was staffed mostly with contractors, so I am surprised they are shutting it down only now.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by wednesdaynext on Friday January 31, 2020 @01:02PM (#22203830)
I commend you for your idea and vision to propose App-Maker. It is a great low-code solution, offering very professional GUI components and integration with G-Suite; made all the more tragic by Google's short-sighted action to close App-Maker down. It is also why tens of thousands of people now wish they had never heard of AppMaker, myself included.

As a FinTech company in the Financial Sector, we were big advocates of App-Maker and the Google cloud-services, recommending it to our clients. Not any more, not now, not ever. The reputational damage to Google will be long-lasting as the people affected, will not forget.

If you have any sway in Google, try to offer us a life-line; not a spreadsheet-based / mobile app provider you acquired last week.

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by Edmond on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:41PM (#22161742)
We're cooking up a different angle to App Maker type software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2dYVret-Ck

Check it out if you're still into this type of stuff:)...happy to answer questions.

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by spankalee on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:50PM (#22161859)
There are plenty of takes on this space now.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by mattyfo on Monday January 27, 2020 @05:12PM (#22164386)
Well I'll tell you what, you had me a little concerned when you launched. We're working on similar challenges over at Smartsheet. Please reach out if you're interested in staying in this space!
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by omarhaneef on Monday January 27, 2020 @03:04PM (#22163234)
How does AppSheet (https://www.appsheet.com) compare?

Google bought it recently and, unless the timing is coincidental, perhaps it was as a replacement?

Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by mritchie712 on Monday January 27, 2020 @04:09PM (#22163805)
yes, they mention it in the announcement as a replacement.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by gowld on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:05PM (#22261826)
What's going to replace AppSheet? Skate to where the puck is going.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by blinotz on Monday January 27, 2020 @03:34PM (#22163491)
Can’t a deal be done for google to give it to you instead of killing it?
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by m-p-3 on Monday January 27, 2020 @09:42PM (#22165966)
I wish that Google would sometime sell a product they deem not worth it to an outside business instead of just killing it with all the work done behind it.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by LadyCailin on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:02PM (#22172111)
Or open source it...
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by narag on Monday January 27, 2020 @01:25PM (#22162237)
Could you shed some light on "the specific source code used for App Maker" that prevents from migrating?
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by spankalee on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:26PM (#22165261)
Mostly that the server scripts were run on Rhino and accessed APIs written in Java that would be difficult to port to a standard environment. The client scripts ran against a GWT-based runtime, and so had some API oddities they had to deal with too.
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by czzarr on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @05:37PM (#22251674)
are you available for hire to work on a competitor product?
Re:Google App Maker Shutting Down by benatkin on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:17PM (#22161442)
Is there at least an https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ style post somewhere? :(